Americans ignoring conservative falsehoods about Obama and Israel

[Crabtownboy]

I thought this an interesting article. It shows that the American people are well aware of the foot-loose and fancy-free playing with the truth by the right wing. The right wing should take note and change more to telling the truth ... but I am confident they will not do so and it will hurt their efforts in the next election. Will it be a fatal hurt? No one can tell at this point in time, but it will hurt their efforts IMHO. I would be much more prone to sympathize and even support some positions of the right wing folk if they were more honest with the truth. Their blind opposition to everything not from their own group is a very unwise path to follow ... again IMHO.

As you know, conservatives have been engaged in a full-throttle campaign to distort Obama’s positions on Israel, as part of a comically transparent effort to achieve the almost-never-realized conservative dream of driving a wedge between Jewish voters and the Democratic Party. Some on the right have confidently asserted that Obama’s recent speeches on the Middle East have finally unmasked his hostility to Israel and his shameful (if carefully disguised) sympathy for Palestinians.

In that context, you’d think this Pew poll would be getting a bit more attention:

Regarding the Israeli-Palestinian dispute, far more Americans continue to say they sympathize with Israel rather than the Palestinians (by 48% to 11%). These opinions are little changed from recent years.

A plurality (50%) says Barack Obama is striking the right balance in the Middle East situation, while 21% say he favors the Palestinians too much. There has also been no change in these views over the past year; in April 2010, 47% said Obama struck the right balance and 21% said he favored the Palestinians too much.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-israel/2011/03/03/AGiqqUTH_blog.html?hpid=z4

 

[Max Fenster]

Merely recognizing Palestinians as being human beings is a political death wish in DC. Forget fairness.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Merely recognizing Palestinians as being human beings is a political death wish in DC. Forget fairness.

I wish I could disagree with you, but, sadly, I fear you are correct. I have met a number of Palestinian Christians and they wish Washington would be more fair in the foreign policy. Also, they have told me some horror stories on how Israel treats them as both Palestinian and as Christians.

 

[Matt Black]

The Palestinian Christians I know find it both bizarre and heartbreaking that so many other Christians seem to side with their oppressors rather than with them.

 

[Crabtownboy]

The Palestinian Christians I know find it both bizarre and heartbreaking that so many other Christians seem to side with their oppressors rather than with them.

You are right. It seems that conservative American Christians view the Palestinian Christian as a non-human ... and those living in Israel are discriminated against on two counts, being Palestinian and being Christian.

 

[targus]

You are right. It seems that conservative American Christians view the Palestinian Christian as a non-human ... and those living in Israel are discriminated against on two counts, being Palestinian and being Christian.

Talk about playing fast and loose with the truth!!

Talk about telling lies!!

Crabby should be ashamed of this blatant falsehood!!

Crabby can never provide one single instance of any Christian - conservative or otherwise - American of otherwise - that has ever said that Palestinian Christians are non-human.

But of course Crabby won't see this post because he has me on "ignore" because he is tired of me calling him out on his hypocrisy.

 

[Arbo]

You are right. It seems that conservative American Christians view the Palestinian Christian as a non-human ...

Oh really(!)? That's a pretty strong accusation. Please give evidence to back it up.

I thought you were better than that.

 

[mandym]

You are right. It seems that conservative American Christians view the Palestinian Christian as a non-human ... and those living in Israel are discriminated against on two counts, being Palestinian and being Christian.

This post is just odd.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Oh really(!)? That's a pretty strong accusation. Please give evidence to back it up.

I thought you were better than that.

Here are example … the term non-human may not appear, but the attitude is there all the same;

Christians find themselves under the hammer of the Israeli occupation to no less an extent than Muslims, yet America—supposedly a Christian country—stands idly by because its most politically influential Christians have decided that Palestinian Christians are acceptable collateral damage in their apocalyptic quest.

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So why are Palestinian Christians abandoning their homeland?
We have lost hope, that’s why. We are treated as non-people. Few outside the Middle East even know we exist, and those who do, conveniently forget.
I refer, of course, to the American Religious Right. They see the modern Israel as a harbinger of the Second Coming, at which time Christians will go to Paradise, and all others (presumably including Jews) to Hell. To this end they lend military and moral support to Israel.
Even by the double-dealing standards of international diplomacy this is a breathtakingly cynical bargain. It is hard to know who is using whom more:

The Christian Right for offering secular power in the expectation that the Jewish state will be destroyed by a greater spiritual one; or

The Israeli Right for accepting their offer.
What we do know is that both sides are abusing the Palestinians. Apparently we don’t enter into anyone’s calculations.
So why do American Christians stand by while their leaders advocate the expulsion of fellow Christians? Could it be that they do not know that the Holy Land has been a home to Christians since, well … since Christ?
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[targus]

Here are example … the term non-human may not appear, but the attitude is there all the same;

In other words, Crabby has nothing again. :laugh:

 

[Matt Black]

Why not therefore engage with the serious issue raised by the OP: what Good News do you have to bring to your Palestinian brothers and sisters?

 

[kyredneck]

The Palestinian Christians I know find it both bizarre and heartbreaking that so many other Christians seem to side with their oppressors rather than with them.

It's the [Christian Zionist] Premil Sensationalists who tend to favor the concision over their fellow Christians.

You are right. It seems that conservative American Christians view the Palestinian Christian as a non-human ... and those living in Israel are discriminated against on two counts, being Palestinian and being Christian.

Not all conservative American Christians are Zionists and unmindful of the Palestinian Christian plight. An excellent article from 2004 (published BEFORE 'The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy' in 2006 by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt):

Forgotten Christians
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2004/may/24/00013/

Also:
The Second Coming
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/2ndcoming.htm

 

[targus]

Why not therefore engage with the serious issue raised by the OP: what Good News do you have to bring to your Palestinian brothers and sisters?

How do you get that as the issue of the OP?

The "issue" of the OP is that "the American people are well aware of the foot-loose and fancy-free playing with the truth by the right wing."

Crabby first needs to support that assertion.

 

[preacher4truth]

I thought this an interesting article. It shows that the American people are well aware of the foot-loose and fancy-free playing with the truth by the right wing. The right wing should take note and change more to telling the truth ... but I am confident they will not do so and it will hurt their efforts in the next election. Will it be a fatal hurt? No one can tell at this point in time, but it will hurt their efforts IMHO. I would be much more prone to sympathize and even support some positions of the right wing folk if they were more honest with the truth. Their blind opposition to everything not from their own group is a very unwise path to follow ... again IMHO.

The whole entire problem with this is that CTB took it hook line and sinker.

Another foolish attack and prideful arrogance used to poke fun at Americans from across the Atlantic.

I hope you feel like a real big boy now CBT. :thumbsup:

Here, let me find an article that pokes fun at UK'ers.

Naw, I'll pass.

 

[sag38]

I do know this. The Isralies would be fools to return to their pre '67 borders. Obama made an idiotic suggestion.

 

[Matt Black]

It's the [Christian Zionist] Premil Sensationalists who tend to favor the concision over their fellow Christians.



Not all conservative American Christians are Zionists and unmindful of the Palestinian Christian plight. An excellent article from 2004 (published BEFORE 'The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy' in 2006 by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt):

Forgotten Christians
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2004/may/24/00013/

Also:
The Second Coming
http://www.israelshamir.net/English/2ndcoming.htm

That's good to know,. But ISTM that it's the Christian Zionists who shout the loudest/ get the most airtime.

 

[kyredneck]

That's good to know,. But ISTM that it's the Christian Zionists who shout the loudest/ get the most airtime.

From the article 'Forgotten Christians':

"Christians find themselves under the hammer of the Israeli occupation to no less an extent than Muslims, yet America—supposedly a Christian country—stands idly by because its most politically influential Christians have decided that Palestinian Christians are acceptable collateral damage in their apocalyptic quest."

....and that about sums it up (along with the gross misapplication of Gen 12:3).

 

[NiteShift]

American attitudes towards the Palestinians are at least partially influenced by their reaction to 9/11.

I worked with Palestinian and Lebanese Christians years ago. They bad-mouthed the Jews and Americans equally. Not much love lost there.

 

[Matt Black]

Yes, well there might be a reason for that, mightn't there?

 

[NiteShift]

Yes, well there might be a reason for that, mightn't there?

Oh really? Sort of like certain Irishmen celebrating the death of English maimed or murdered by the IRA? Please.

Some of my Lebanese Christian co-workers laughed when the Marine barracks was bombed in Lebanan, just real tickled by it. Crowed that, "Americans can't fight over there! They don't know how! haha!"