America's ignorance of Obama 'disturbing'

[Revmitchell]

There is not a single thing anti-American about socialism as an economic system.

It is contrary to what this country was founded and unconstitutional.

 

[carpro]

You are giving your opinion on the future ... which is just an opinion.

I give you facts on the past which are uncomfortable facts if you are claiming G. Bush did a responsible job of handling the economy.

You fixation with Bush is off topic and unhealthy.

 

[carpro]

You cherry pick the information you want other to consider.

I only base my opinion on what he has told us he intends to do.

 

[KenH]

It is contrary to what this country was founded and unconstitutional.

This country was founded on slavery and it was constitutional. Fortunately, we got rid of slavery and now we are getting rid of trickle down economic policies.

 

[carpro]

There is not a single thing anti-American about socialism as an economic system.

As an Obamanite, you had better subscribe to that theory. It would be hypocritical of you to hold any other opinion.

 

[carpro]

This past fiscal year's deficit already topped a trillion dollars.

National Debt at 9/30/08 $10.026 trillion

National Debt at 9/30/07 $9.008 trillion

It's quite evident you don't know the difference between annual budget deficit and national debt.

 

[carpro]

This country was founded on slavery and it was constitutional. Fortunately, we got rid of slavery and now we are getting rid of trickle down economic policies.

Red Herring.

 

[saturneptune]

It's quite evident you don't know the difference between annual budget deficit and national debt.

One thing they do have in common. Your hero George Bush added to both of them for eight years, with the help of a six year Republican Congress and a two year Democratic Congress.

 

[KenH]

It's quite evident you don't know the difference between annual budget deficit and national debt.

If the national debt increase of $1.018 trillion dollar in a single fiscal year is not the annual budget deficit, then what is it?

 

[KenH]

Red Herring.

Tranlation: Ken's argument is impeccable and carpro has no answer.

 

[saturneptune]

Tranlation: Ken's argument is impeccable and carpro has no answer.

I agree with very few of your positions on issues, but do think that the ideas you express is what you believe regardless of party. You cannot discuss, debate, or argue a point with someone who puts party loyality above liberal or conservatives principles. They have no compass, while you do, just pointed in the wrong direction.

 

[Revmitchell]

This country was founded on slavery and it was constitutional. Fortunately, we got rid of slavery and now we are getting rid of trickle down economic policies.

It was not founded on slavery.

Frederick Douglass, for one, believed that the government created by the Constitution "was never, in its essence, anything but an anti-slavery government." Douglass was born into slavery in Maryland but escaped and eventually became a prominent spokesman for free blacks in the abolitionist movement. "Abolish slavery tomorrow, and not a sentence or syllable of the Constitution need be altered," he wrote in 1864:

It was purposely so framed as to give no claim, no sanction to the claim, of property in man. If in its origin slavery had any relation to the government, it was only as the scaffolding to the magnificent structure, to be removed as soon as the building was completed.

This point is underscored by the fact that, although slavery was abolished by constitutional amendment, not one word of the original text was amended or deleted.

 

[KenH]

Then we fought a mighty bloody war between fellow Americans over something that had no relationship to the founding of our nation.

 

[Crabtownboy]

It was not founded on slavery.

Slavery did not work well in the North, but the Southern economy was founded on slavery and the foundation to the propserity of the South was slavery.

And "Yes I are [sic] a Southerner."

 

[Havensdad]

This country was founded on slavery and it was constitutional. Fortunately, we got rid of slavery and now we are getting rid of trickle down economic policies.

Despite what our slanted history books might teach, nearly ALL of the founding fathers were ardently anti-slavery. It is repugnant to me that you would decry the DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC, which the founding fathers structured this country to be, because of one or two of them advocating slavery while voting for a man (Obama) who not only advocates, but wishes to state sponsor baby murder.

Just a few quotes, from our founding fathers (you know, wrote the constitution, declaration of independence, etc.)..

William Livingston, signer of the Constitution and Governor of New Jersey speaking of an abolition society He wished to join..

"May the great and the equal Father of the human race, who has expressly declared His abhorrence of oppression, and that He is no respecter of persons, succeed a design so laudably calculated to undo the heavy burdens, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke."

Writing of the founders, John Quincy Adams wrote:

"The inconsistency of the institution of domestic slavery with the principles of the Declaration of Independence was seen and lamented by all the southern patriots of the Revolution; by no one with deeper and more unalterable conviction than by the author of the Declaration himself. No charge of insincerity or hypocrisy can be fairly laid to their charge. Never from their lips was heard one syllable of attempt to justify the institution of slavery."

James Otis of Massachusetts said in 1764 that

“The colonists are by the law of nature freeborn, as indeed all men are, white or black.”

Most of the men who gave us the Declaration and the Constitution wanted to see slavery abolished. For example, George Washington wrote in a letter to Robert Morris:

I can only say that there is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it [slavery]. 15

Charles Carroll, Signer of Declaration from Maryland, wrote:

Why keep alive the question of slavery? It is admitted by all to be a great evil. 16

Benjamin Rush, Signer from Pennsylvania, stated:

Domestic slavery is repugnant to the principles of Christianity. . . . It is rebellion against the authority of a common Father. It is a practical denial of the extent and efficacy of the death of a common Savior. It is an usurpation of the prerogative of the great Sovereign of the universe who has solemnly claimed an exclusive property in the souls of men. 17

Father of American education, and contributor to the ideas in the Constitution, Noah Webster wrote:

Justice and humanity require it [the end of slavery] - Christianity commands it. Let every benevolent . . . pray for the glorious period when the last slave who fights for freedom shall be restored to the possession of that inestimable right. 18

Quotes from John Adams reveal his strong anti-slavery views:

"Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States. . . . I have, through my whole life, held the practice of slavery in . . . abhorrence.
My opinion against it [slavery] has always been known. . . . [N]ever in my life did I own a slave. "

When Benjamin Franklin served as President of the Pennsylvania Society of Promoting the Abolition of Slavery he declared:

“Slavery is . . . an atrocious debasement of human nature.”

Thomas Jefferson's original draft of the Declaration included a strong denunciation of slavery, declaring the king's perpetuation of the slave trade and his vetoing of colonial anti-slavery measures as one reason the colonists were declaring their independence:

"He [King George III] has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating and carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere. . . . Determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought and sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce."

Prior to independence, anti-slavery measures by the colonists were thwarted by the British government. Franklin wrote in 1773:

"A disposition to abolish slavery prevails in North America, that many of Pennsylvanians have set their slaves at liberty, and that even the Virginia Assembly have petitioned the King for permission to make a law for preventing the importation of more into that colony. This request, however, will probably not be granted as their former laws of that kind have always been repealed.."

Information taken from www.wallbuilders.com"

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Course correction.

Lets get back on topic, which has nothing to do with slavery.

 

[Andy T.]

This country was founded on slavery and it was constitutional. Fortunately, we got rid of slavery and now we are getting rid of trickle down economic policies.

I guess then we have replaced one form of slavery for another. It's sad that we would trade our birthright for a government check. This country will not last much longer under such thinking. The next step in that line of thinking will result in birth rates below replacement level so that we can breed ourselves out. Just like the enlightened Europeans are doing, because kids are such a drag on the finite economic pie that has to be equally shared.

Such thinking is anti-biblical and atheistic to the core.

 

[KenH]

Such thinking is anti-biblical and atheistic to the core.

Please explain.

 

[KenH]

Information taken from www.wallbuilders.com

Wallbuilders is not a credible source.

www.christianethicstoday.com/issue/003/Wallbuilders%20or%20Mythbuilders%20By%20Nicholas%20P%20Miller_003_17_.htm

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Last chance - back to the topic or thread closure.