Amillennialism Debate -Part Three

I'm back.

This post might be a long one.

Forget criticizing each others, attack each others, slandering each others.

Let's focus on God's Word, what the scripture saith.

Premills emphasis or stress on Revelation 20:2-7, 'a thousand years' is literal exact of a length time to reign.

Do you think, amills cannot read Revelation 20:2-7 speak so loudly? Or, do you think amills deny the clear teaching of Rev. 20:2-7 about 'a thousand years'?

I would like to present you of many verses throughout in the Bible on 'thousand', tell which one is literal or figurative, you must decide to tell which verse is speak of literal or figurative.

Because. premills always emphasis 'a thousand years' of Rev. 20:2-7 is LITERAL. That's why I have to make a post on verses of 'thousand', tell verse, which one is literal or figurative.

Throughout of 65 books in the Bible never teaching that Christ shall reign on earth for only a thousand years beyond end of the age or Christ's coming. None find anywhere in the 65 books of the Bible teaching on premillennialism. Many premils know that.

39 authors of the 65 books in the Bible, all of them never teaching premill. None of them were premill. We all know that.

While Jesus Christ was on earth for 3 1/2 years of his ministry. He never teaching millennial kingdom to his 12 disciples. Even, John, 'The Beloved', as disciple, he was with 11 disciples and Christ too when he was young. I am no doubt, John, the Beloved was never himself as premill, while he was with 11 disciples and Chirst.

Many premills might saying that Revelation chapter 20 is a new doctrine was shown to John, the Beloved, that he never hear of this doctrine before. That might be called, "progressive revelation".

1 1/2 years ago, I talked with a pastor about millennial. I told him, millennial was not teaching anywhere in the 65 books of the Bible. Pastor showed me in Daniel 12:4 "But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and SEAL the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and for, and knowledge shall be increased." He said to me of this verse prove, that millennial was not yet teaching, because it was SEALED wait till the time comes to arrive that John, the Beloved shall see the new teaching of millennial in year 95 A.D. as he saw the vision of Revelation chapter 20, as it speak of 'a thousand years'.

Daniel 12:4 have do nothing with millennial doctrine. This is speak of the mystery about Jesus Christ and Calvary. Please see Daniel 9:24, "and to SEAL UP the vision and prophecy,..." This is speak of the prophecy on Jesus Christ and Calvary.

Daniel 12:4 - the visions and prohecy was sealed till Jesus Christ came to earth, and to revealed us of the mystery through calvary, that Christ fulfilled the prophecies.

Also, there is none passage find anywhere in the Old Testament teaching of a 1,000 year earthly kingdom.

The book of Revelation is full of symbolic numbers - 2, 3 1/2, 4, 5,7, 10, 12, 24, 42, 666, 1,000, 1260, 1600, 7000, 12,000, 144,000, 200,000,000.

The Bible student must be carefully read:

Number of passages in the Bible mentioning a 1000-year reign = 1

Number of passages in the Bible mentioning a 1000-year on this earth = 0

Number of passages in the Bible mentioning a 1000-year reign of the natural Jews on this earth = 0

Harold Hazelip says, in 'Revelation and the Millennium' "The 1000 years appears nowhere in the 66 books, 1189 chapters, 31,173 verses of the Bible except for 6 occurences in 6 consecutive verses of Revelation 20:2-7. It is not good exegesis to build an entire system of escahtology, a philosophy of history, on such a highly symbolic passage, particularly when that interpretation conflicts with other plain passage of scripture."

I agree with Hazelip is correct.

When we studying the number 1,000, we will also study the number 10,000 as both are used in a very similar figurative manner throughout Scripture. When we studying both 1,000 and 10,000, will show them of illustraste the symbolic nature of the number 1,000.

A thousand is shown in Deuteronomy 1:10-11 "The Lord your God hath multiplied you, and, behold, ye are this day as the stars of heaven for multitude. (The Lord God of your fathers make you A THOUSAND times so many more as ye are, and bless you, as he hath promised you!)" This passage does not saying the exactly number or limited of numbers. This pasage telling us, this is afigurative way of saying that God is pouring of all increase and all blessings. This passage means that God give us of multiply blessings unto us, as He promised us, 'a thousand' of Deut. 1:11 shows that it represents of multiply blessings upon us as God hath promises us.

Psalm 119:72, "The law of thy mouth is better unto me than THOUSANDS of gold and silver." This verse telling us, God's Word is more richer and more power than earthly riches such as money.

Isaiah 7:22-24, "And it shall come to pass, for the abundance of milk that they shall give he shall eat butter: for butter and honey shall every one eat that is left in the land. And it shall come to pass in that day, that every place shall be, where there were A THOUSAND vines at A THOUSAND silverlings, it shall even be for briers and thorns." This passage shows "a thousand" is used as a symbol to impress a scriptural truth, it given the consequence of disobedience- briers and thorns would replace the many fruitful vines.

Deuteronomy 7:9, "Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to A THOUSAND generations." If suppose, 'a thousand generation' is a literal exactly number of generations, that would be take about 40,000 years for 1,000 generations. 40 years per a generation, 40 X 1000 generations + 40,000 years.

This planet earth is only 6,000 years old, not millions of year according what evolutionism teaching.

Deut. 7:9 speaks of God promises to us, that He is faithful and keep covenant and mercy with people WHO love Him and keep His commadments to all generations throughout from the beginning to the end of the age.

Psalm 119:90 says, "Thy faithfulness is unto ALL generations same with Deut. 7:9.

Psalm 105:4, 8-10, "Seek the LORD, and his strength: seek his face evermore...He hath remmebered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to A THOUSAND generations. Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant."

This passage tells us, God commanded to ALL generations from the beginning to the end of the age, that His covenant is an eternality.

There is another example true story of Samson. Samson fought with Philistine soldiers with the jaw of an donkey. In Judges 15:14-16, "the Philistines shouted against him: and the Spirit of the LORD came mightly upon him, and the cords that were upon his arms became as flax that was burnt with fire, and his bands loosed from off his hands. And he found a new jawbone of an ass, and put forth hand hand, and took it, and slew A THOUSAND men therewith. And Samson said, With the jawbone of an ass, heaps upon heaps, with the jaw of an ass have I slain A THOUSAND men." It is difficult to know here if it were exactly one thousand Philistine caualties or whether the word is used, as in a more general way to EXPRESS a LARGE AMOUNT. More likely must be over 1,000 soliders, probbaly Samson killed 2,000 or 3,000 or more soldiers.

King David declared in Psalm 3:6, "I will not be afraid of TEN THOUSANDS of people, that have set themselves against me round about." David does not mean that there was a exactly number of peopel who were against David, he made point that countless of people were against him, it could be 20,000 to 30,000 against him.

In Revelation 5:11, "And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was TEN THOUSAND times TEN THOUSAND, and THOUSANDS of THOUSANDS; Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessings." John, the Beloved cannot count how many angels round around the throne of Christ in heaven, because there are so multitude of angels such as over millions and millions.

Genesis 24:59-60- Rebekeh's people said to her, "Thou art our siter, be thou the mother of THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS, and let thy seed possess the gate of those which hate them." This is prophetic of Abraham's seed. Seeds are like as stars or sands, cannot count how many they are, they are multiply, multiply since from the beginning to the end of the age - throughout all centuries, these people who have their faith in Jesus Christ, they are belong to Christ's seed according in Galatians chapter 3.

Daniel 7:9-10 predicts of a great white throne: "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: THOUSAND THOUSANDS ministered unto him, and TEN THOUSAND times TEN THOUSAND stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened."

Daniel tells us, multitude, multitude of people will stand before the throne of Christ, because Christ shall judge all people of the world. That would be at the great white throne follow at His coming at the end of the world.

How about 144,000 of Revelation chapter 7? Pretrib/premill saying 144,000 witnesses are a literal exactly number of witnesses, even, also they saying all of twelve tribes of Israel are 12,000 people of each tribes are literal exactly number.

John, the beloved explained Rev. 7:7:9-10 more clearly on the identify of "144,000" whose are they. He said: "I beheld and, lo, A GREAT MULTITUDE, WHICH NO MAN COULD NUMBER, of ALL NATIONS, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying. Salvation to iur God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb."

144,000 witness - does not saying that all are 144,000 Jewish male evangelists or "Jews" of Israel. 144,000 witnesses represent all redeemed people of the world even include Gentiles too.

Revelation 14:3,4 explains more clear being identify of 144,000 (Rev. 14:1), whose are they. These who were REDEEMED from the earth- delivered them from unsaved people, and they were not defiled with women, and they are virgins. This verse 4 is refer with Revelation chapter 17 and 18, that it commands us, that we do not commit adultery with Babylon system, that we must be pure and holy live and separate from the world.

Interest, when after young David slained Goliath, David, and Saul both were return home. People shouted and said to them in 1 Samuel 18:6-8, "And it came to pass as they came, when David was returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, that the women came out of all cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meet king Saul, with tabrets, with joy, and with instruments of musick. And the women answered one another as they played, and said, 'Saul hath slain his THOUSANDS, and David his TEN THOUSANDS. And Saul was very wroth."

This passage shows us how great warrior David was, David was greater than Saul. Women song to them, they were not song on the exactly number how many men, Saul and David slained them. They song to them, that David was greater than Saul. It made Saul so jealous and angry at people, even, wanted to kill David so badly too.

Psalm 84:9-10, "Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is BETTER THAN A THOUSAND. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness."

Understand this verse is speak of a methaphorical sense on 'a thousand'. David speaks about God, shows how great God is, He tells us, that God is our shield and our rock, and also salvation too. God is more powerful than anything in the world.

Many of us know of Psalm 50:10-11 says, "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon A THOUSAND hills, I know all the fowls of the mountians: and the wild beasts of the field are mine." , it is not a literal exactly number how many hills God owns. Doesn't God owns 999 hills? Doesn't God owns 1001 hills? This passage tells us, God owns EVERTHING of the world, that God created them.

Jesus spoken of thousands - Luke 14:31 , "what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with TEN THOUSAND to meet him that cometh against him with TWENTY THOUSAND?" Christ used of figurative illustration, not a literal numbers of people, as what He taught them on the illustration.

King Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 6:6, "Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, YET hath he seen NO GOOD: do not all go to one place/"

Solomon knows, no one can still live up to 1,000 years, because our living and earthly things are vain under the sun. Our life is very short and vanish away like as flower fades away in a short time.

Apostle Paul spoken of the gifts from the Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians 14:19, "in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, THAN TEN THOUSANDS words in an unknown tongue." Paul told them, better to speak few words in a known language than speak of strange multude words in an unknown language.

Apostle Peter speaks of 2 Peter chapter 3 about the last days scoffers saying, where is Lord's promise of his coming. Many of them were expecting Lord might come anytime in their liefetime, but all of them already died in the past centuries ago. In other word, many people have been hearing rumours that Christ is coming again for so many years, but it doesn't happen. They do not believe Jesus is coming again. same with flood. People heard rumours of the flood will come and destory the world. They don't believe the rumours or warning of flood. A person might saying to a child, 'I have been heard old story about the warning of the flood for 100 years, but, the flood does not occur, Noah is a nut, and the story is baloney, do not believe it.

Peter's point of 2 Peter 3:8, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that ONE day is with the Lord AS A THOUSAND years, and A THOUSAND AS ONE day." That our sight of 1,000 years seem toooooooooo long time for us. But, in the Lord's sight, 1,000 years is LIKE AS ONE day is tooooooooo short for him.

Because, Peter warns us, day of the Lord shall come LIKE AS theif in the night, show how quickly His coming shall be like. Same with the example of flood, many people were not expecting or unaware of the flood suddenly came and took them away so quickly- Matt. 24:39-41. So, this shall be same at Christ's coming to taken all unbelievers away for the judgement day.

1,000 years seem so very long time for us. In other word, Christ's coming seem delay and never happen in the future.

But, in Revelation 22:20(my favotite verse) telling us, Christ promises us, He shall SURELY will come QUICKLY without delay.

Apostle Peter could have saying, 2,000 years like as 2 days in the Lord's sight, if he wants to. Not neccessary for him to saying it. Peter's point was, he telling us, Christ's coming shall be suddenly like as "thief in the night" for the judgement day purpose same with flood.

Finally, here come Revelation 20:2-7.

Do you think, Christ's reign on earth will be last for limited only 1,000 years? Or in other word, do you think, Christ's promise will be failed, if Satan shall loosed off the chains and to deceived the nations by in the middle of the millennial kingdom such as 400 years later after His second coming?

The vision of Revelation chapter 20 is a heavily symoblic meanings. Angel of Rev. 20:1 is represent as Jesus Christ. He have power to hold Satan down from deceived the nations, because of Calvary. Being chained is symbolic means that Satan is holding back from deceived the nations, that he have no power or limited his power to deceived nations. Even, Satan cannot stop Church from spreading the gospel to the world. Also, Satan cannot destroy kingdom of God/heaven. Because it is eternality.

Rev. 20:2-5 say nothing about saints' body. It spoken of saints' SOUL. Rev. 20:3-5 telling us, many saints who were martyred for Lord, of their testimony throughout centuries of Church history from Calvary to now, are now reigning with Christ in the heaven. It have been nearly 2,000 years already. 'A thousand' of Rev. 20:2-7 speak of length time, not short time. It could be over 2,000 years or, probably over 3,000 years. God knows when time shall be expired.

Satan is being holding back from deceived the nation is explained in 2 Thess. 2:6-7; and Rev. 17:8. Satan is NOW holding back from being to be revealed or deceive the nations. Because God already given the keys to Church, that we can spread the kingdom to the world- Matt. 16:18-19; Matt. 28:18-20; and Acts 1:8. God knows when the right time to come(expired). I believe when Christians becaming apostasy and depart from the Lord, stopped believing in God, and become weaker, revivals become fade away, and more Christians to be deceived. Then, God knows when the right time to come, God shall allow Satan to be loosed out of the way(2 Thess. 2:7), then Satan shall deceived the nations for a LITTLE SEASON time. Then, God shall send fire to earth, and cast satan away into the lake of fire, then God shall set great white throne to judge the wolrd. Then, God shall create new heavens and a new earth. Then, finally eternality begins!!!!

If you do not agree with me on these verses speak of 'a thousand', then telling me why you do not agree with me.

Understand, Revelation chapter 20 is a full figurative meanings. Revelation chapter 20 covers whole history from first coming to second coming by through calvary to the end of the age.

I could have show you tons of verses from the Bible on 'thosuand', if I can. I suggest you look in STRONG'S Concordance for word, 'thousand' with many verses, and you read these in the Bible. Telling which one is literal or figurative number.

Consequnce: 'A thousand years' Rev. 20:2-7 speak of a figurative meaning, how of the length time, that many saints who already died in Christ are now reigning with Christ in the heaven since Calvary to today.

By the way, I do LOOKING FORWARD that we shall reign with Christ on new earth in physical and literal!!! That what all amills are looking for. Please stop accuse amills for denying future literal physical reign with Christ on earth. Both premills and amills are looking forward for future physical and literal reign with Christ on new earth by follow His coming at the end of age.

Aren't you looking for this??? I am looking for it!!! Amen? AMEN!

 

During Old Testament period, Gentiles were deceived and not hear the gospel yet. Satan deceived the nations for 4,000 years.

But, there was very FEW of Gentiles were saved uring Old Testament period like, Rahab, the Hariot, Ruth, City of Nineveh, that was less than 200,000 Gemtiles were saved by their faith for 4,000 years. During that period, the gospel was not yet carry spread to Gentiles nations. They were still in dark and deceived. Till Christ came to earth. He brought the kingdom of God/heaven. He gaven the key to the Church, and now Church have power to spread the gospel of the kingdom of God/heaven to the world. Satan cannot stopped Church from spreading the gospel to the world. That what Rev. 20:1-2 talking about. That why, Satan is NOW holding back from deceived the nations(2 Thess. 2:6-7) till Church become apostasy more worst, then God knows when the right time to come, God shall allow Satan to be loose out of the way(2 Thess. 2:7-8) then to deceived the nations that would for a little season(time).

I hope that you would understand what amil really believe.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!