Amillennialism

[J.D.]

I was just reviewing Murray's biography of Pink and it appears that in addition to being put off by arminians and HC's, Pink was also blocked from fundamentalist pulpits due to his open criticism of dispensationalism. He was lonely but not of his own choosing.

 

[skypair]

Skypair, you said clearly that one day there would be "no more Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." That is not a Trinitarian view.

Dear marcia,

You're "grasping at straws," girl! If I lived in the OT, I would believe in only one God as well. Would that have been heretical then?

That is a view that Oneness followers hold who believe that either Jesus is the Father and is Jesus only for a time, or who believe that God the Father is really Jesus. In these views, the Father is subsumed into Jesus or vice-versa.

I don't "mix" the Personages of Father and Son in any way remotely like they do. As to the "subsummation" (is that a word? :laugh, I think you are only vaguely familiar with what you are talking about -- just familiar enough to be "dangerous" to yourself and others.

The theology on the Holy Spirit is murky; often the HS is a just a force or power of God or Jesus.

He is the power and force of the wisdom of God. All spirit deals in intellect, emotions, and will. Again, read Prov 8. In the OT, He was, basically, the word of God or embodied in God and "the angel of the Lord." His activities "animated" men like David, but it was by "filling," not by indwelling.

In the NT, He achieves "Personhood" when He indwells the believer in a similar way as a demon receives personhood when he "possesses" a sinner (the first examples being that "sons of men" pre-flood).

You also said that the preincarnate Jesus was not God.

I missed that. Where? Because I would NEVER believe that He wasn't God. I would say He wasn't the Father. I would say that He appeared as "the angel of the Lord" or as an "angel" to Abraham, etc.

But you have gone beyond trying to understand what I have been saying, haven't you? You, like the Pharisees did to Jesus, are trying to "measure me for my coffin!" As you may recall, they were rejecting the kingdom.

skypair

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Splain the difference, please.

skypair

The difference is of the same substance as opposed to like substance. It's the Iota of difference.

 

[skypair]

The difference is of the same substance as opposed to like substance. It's the Iota of difference.

Well, let's think about that. Does that mean Jesus unglorified substance was the same as God's glorified substance? Or that Christ's glorified substance (mount of transfiguration) was the same as His own unglorified substance?

skypair

 

[DHK]

My understanding of this is that Christ fulfills all the aspects of salvation from the beginning of creation to the end. But even as we look at that, He fulfilled them differently for those who looked forward to Him than He did for those who look back to Him.

That is one aspect of dispensationalism, but it in no way refers to the nature of God. God's nature (including that of the Trinity) never changes. Christ is the same, and always has been--the second person of the Triune Godhead--the Word.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Says exactly what I say. There is no change in the Father Who Who exists in the eternal kingdom of God and no change in the truth that He reveals to us. The change is that in creating time, He also created a kingdom wherein all things change. Physical Jesus lived and died, did He not?

The Lord is Jehovah. The Jehovah of the OT is Jesus of the NT. He is the One that saves.
You seem to have brought Christ down to the level of an angel, where angels have the ability to take on a human body when necessary, and otherwise do not have one. Does Gabriel always have a body, or did he just assume one when he appeared to Mary? Christ is not an angel. He created the angels, and all the universe.

What I am saying is that when we all get to New Earth, there's no more physical change in Jesus nor in us outwardly. We will change spiritually, ostensibly by eating of the "tree of life." But there will be no death, no corrupting sin, no progeny, etc.

There will be no more change in him anyway. There never really was. He always remained deity--the second person of the Triune Godhead.

That is, He CHANGED!! How can you not admit that?

His nature did not change. God took upon himself a body. He is still the same God. God changes not.