An abortion thread

[TexasSky]

Speed Gracer,

I knew the very moment I conceived a child. I don't know HOW I knew. I KNEW. I had been trying for awhile, and each time, before any "signs" or "tests" or standard "yes or no" things could be determined, I knew I had not, and I knew the moment I did.

I felt the life in me, and I praised God for it. Doctors and family laughed at me. Said it was too early, it wasn't a life, and a lot of other lies.

Same thing happened the second time I conceived.

Now, YOU may look at it and say, "It wasn't a life until 8 weeks," but I took the test at 5 weeks, and at 5 weeks the doctors said, "You're right. You ARE pregnant."

The first life you are claiming is "just an egg and sperm" is now a missionary. The second is an amazing musician and honors student with a heart for God.

The Bible says that God breathed life into man out of the dust of the ground. That breath of life is STILL moving in this world.

Why is there a need to kill it if, as you suggest, it isn't going to turn into a human being? Why "abort" if it is "just the components of life and not really life?"

Because you KNOW, and every abortionist in this world knows, there is a TREMENDOUSLY large chance that if you leave it alone it WILL become a human being and you don't want it to.

And knowing that you are ending a life is murder.

Why do people try to pretend it is not?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by Speed Gracer:
C4K, there is nothing brutal about extracting the sperm and egg from a woman. It doesn't form a fetus till the 8th week.

So you could kill a four week old baby where the heart, digestive system, backbone and spinal cord and started development?

 

[TexasSky]

Something else to think about.

In 1960 my children's grandmother "miscarried". That is what the doctor's called it. Her baby was born at 7 months, and 1960 babies didn't live if they didn't make it to 8 months.

She happened to give birth in a catholic hospital so they gave the baby "last rites". Told her to plan a funeral.

Around 1980 a friend of mine also "miscarried." I don't know exactly how early Francine was, but I know that she only weighed 2 1/2 pounds, and that the doctors told Shirley there was no hope. That they couldn't figure out why she was still alive, but that it would be a waste of time and money to try to keep her alive. Francine graduated from college a few years ago, and is married.

The survival age for babies born premature keeps getting moved back.

How many were aborted in the "late term" whose parents were told, "It isn't a baby," when it was?

 

[billwald]

Why does God abort 75% of the people he conceives?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I must say that I am stunned that there are Christians who take human life so cheaply - if there is a problem, just kill it before it gets to big. We only want perfect, wanted children, kill all the rest.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by billwald:
Why does God abort 75% of the people he conceives?

That is up to God, the willful murder of the unborn by humans is sin. Since God allows some people to die in car accidents dies that make it okay for us to run them down?

 

[TexasSky]

Billwald,

God, technically, aborts 100% of the people He conceives. He just waits a WHOLE lot longer with the Rosa Parks of this world.

It is GOD's right and choice. Not ours.

 

[Speed Gracer]

C4K, you seem very angry about abortion. See my poll in the forum for polls. Your a man. Of coarse you are more reluctant to say "I would raise the child".

 

[TexasSky]

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, 24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

Exodus 20

 

[Speed Gracer]

Originally posted by billwald:
Why does God abort 75% of the people he conceives?
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That is up to God, the willful murder of the unborn by humans is sin. Since God allows some people to die in car accidents dies that make it okay for us to run them down?

God is not a murderer, is He?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by Speed Gracer:
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Why does God abort 75% of the people he conceives?
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That is up to God, the willful murder of the unborn by humans is sin. Since God allows some people to die in car accidents dies that make it okay for us to run them down?

God is not a murderer, is He? </font>[/QUOTE]God is perfect, man is not. We cannot know the mind of God. Since God allows people to die does that mean we have the same right - NO!

 

[TexasSky]

Speed Gracer,

Are you suggesting that a man of God has less right in determining the survival or death of a child he conceived than a woman has?

That is the most unbiblical claim that comes out of pro-abortion groups. It is also a serious flaw in the abortion system of America.

A woman's choice in keeping or killing a baby is not influenced, legally, by the father's will, but the woman can force the father to pay for whatever choice she makes as if she conceived the child alone.

 

[TexasSky]

No one told God that He did not have the right to end life. God DID tell man that only God has the right to do so.

 

[Speed Gracer]

TexasSky, that is not in Exodus 20

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by Speed Gracer:
C4K, you seem very angry about abortion. See my poll in the forum for polls. Your a man. Of coarse you are more reluctant to say "I would raise the child".

I am very angry at the murder of precious children. I took you poll, flawed as it is. My wife and I have raised 6 children. If my wife were to be raped she and I would raise the child as our own, she would have it no other way.

If my daughter were to be raped and she could not raise the child we would for her.

I will never condone the murder of an innocent child just because of who its father is.

 

[Speed Gracer]

C4K, so your saying that God has the right to kill innocent babys, even though they have known no sin?

 

[Speed Gracer]

A woman's choice in keeping or killing a baby is not influenced, legally, by the father's will, but the woman can force the father to pay for whatever choice she makes as if she conceived the child alone.

Unfortunately, the father cannot always be found.

 

[kubel]

If God knew man was going to sin, and that he would have to send his Son to die as their sacrifice, why did God even make man?

Don't try to second guess God. You and I have a finite mind that is often in error. God does not. He is perfect.

Murdering babies makes me sick, I can hardly believe you support it.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Originally posted by Speed Gracer:
C4K, so your saying that God has the right to kill innocent babys, even though they have known no sin?

God has the right to do whatever He wants.

We do not have the right to kill children.

 

[Filmproducer]

I think I was misunderstood, somewhat. I do not support abortion in any way, I do believe, though, I can feel where speed gracer is coming from. I also believe that many women, who are raped, who also consider abortion are torn. The right thing to do is keep the baby, but if it means losing your own life, when you already have a family you love dearly, I understand the immense heart wrenching pain involved. I also understand the woman who may lose her husband and father of her children if she has her rapist's baby. Does that mean abortion is right? No, of course not, but I still understand her pain. Besides, many women who consider abortion are not Christians. This also must be taken into consideration, especially if they are decieved into believing when life actually begins. They would be more inclined to hear someone with an understanding heart, than someone who calls them murderers (even if that is waht they are doing).