Andy Stanley says Bake the Cake

[Zaac]

Megachurch pastor reject’s his father’s bigotry: Jesus would want you to bake a gay wedding cake

The head of an Atlanta megachurch has rejected his pastor father’s hateful views on homosexuality and says the church should be the “safest place on the planet” for gay young people.

Andy Stanley, who has turned North Point Ministries into one the nation’s largest churches, said Christians must stop driving gay teens away from the church – saying that politics should not overrule biblical teachings, reported Project Q.

I agree.

“There is not consensus in this room when it comes to same-sex attraction; there is not consensus in this room when it comes to gay marriage,” Stanley told a gathering of church leaders last month in California. “We just can’t continue to look into the filter of our politics at our spirituality. It’s got to be the other way around — and specifically when it comes to this issue.”

His views stand in stark contrast to his father – who once hired armed security guards on horseback to protect his church from Atlanta gay pride marchers.

Charles Stanley, pastor of the First Baptist Church Atlanta, has said AIDS is God’s punishment for America’s acceptance of homosexuality – which he describes as “destructive behavior.”

The anti-LGBT pastor teaches that being gay is a choice that can be overcome, and he said accepting gay people is “disobedience to God.”

His son, however, urged Christians to “take a break” from the culture wars for a year and lead by example.

“If all the Christians for just one year, would quit looking at porn, would quit smoking weed, would quit having premarital sex, would quit committing adultery, would pay their taxes, and every church just foster one kid — in one year our nation would feel different,” said the younger Stanley at the Catalyst West gathering.

:applause:

“There are so many Christians, so basically — if we would just be better Christians, everything we would like to see changed for the most part would change,” he added.

Andy Stanley has spoken out against “religious freedom” legislation that allows Christians to deny service to gay customers, saying such discrimination violates biblical teachings.

“Serving people we don’t see eye to eye with is the essence of Christianity,” he said. “Jesus died for a world with which he didn’t see eye to eye. If a bakery doesn’t want to sell its products to a gay couple, it’s their business — literally. But leave Jesus out of it.”

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http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/meg...us-would-want-you-to-bake-a-gay-wedding-cake/

 

[Revmitchell]

We do not participate directly in their perversion and sin. Old Andy can say what he wants but condoning acting in sin is contrary to his calling.

 

[annsni]

I can guarantee you that this article is missing a key ingredient: that active homosexuality is a sin. Andy knows that and preaches that. However what he's NOT preaching is locking the doors to a gay person entering his church to find the truth. How can we expect change in the lives of gay people without the Gospel?

 

[Alcott]

Let's sell whiskey to the injuns, too.

 

[Zaac]

I can guarantee you that this article is missing a key ingredient: that active homosexuality is a sin. Andy knows that and preaches that. However what he's NOT preaching is locking the doors to a gay person entering his church to find the truth. How can we expect change in the lives of gay people without the Gospel?

Exactly. That's why I've said in the past that we can't modern day lepers out of these people. Let them into the church but explain that we don't tolerate sexual sin from heterosexuals or homosexuals.

The overarching approach has to be one that allows us to minister to them where they are while still giving them the truth and not compromising on Christian values.

 

[Revmitchell]

However what he's NOT preaching is locking the doors to a gay person entering his church to find the truth. How can we expect change in the lives of gay people without the Gospel?

Nobody is preaching that.

 

[Don]

Exactly. That's why I've said in the past that we can't modern day lepers out of these people. Let them into the church but explain that we don't tolerate sexual sin from heterosexuals or homosexuals.

The overarching approach has to be one that allows us to minister to them where they are while still giving them the truth and not compromising on Christian values.

The specificity of words...sometimes Van is right.

Who's not letting them into the church? When "church" is used in this context, are we speaking of the gathering place, or the universal body of believers?

If we're talking about either, what does that have to do with baking them a cake? How can we let them be a part of the universal body, not compromising on Christian values -- and say we need to bake the cake?

 

[Zaac]

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[Jedi Knight]

Was Aaron guilty of aiding and abetting with making a golden calf ?

 

[Gina B]

There's everything right about loving, helping out with needs, and sharing your faith.
It is not just silly, but horribly wrong to say that means helping someone in their efforts to celebrate sin.

 

[go2church]

Where does going the second mile play out in this situation?

 

[Jedi Knight]

BTW just because it's a "Mega Church" don't mean a lot if the teaching is watered down.