Andy Stanley

[evangelist6589]

Andy Stanley is an excellent pastor / theologian. Its comical for someone who hangs on every word of Ray Comfort to have a negative opinion on Stanley.

I am not talking about Charles Stanley for Ray himself has commended him. But anyways can you make a persuasive argument for Andy Stanley?

How is he different than Joel Osteen?

 

[preacher4truth]

He is on ignore and I do not respond to any of his posts as 99% of what he posts seems to be some attack on me, criticism of me, or something. He is not a very helpful person and I have to wonder if he is truly a "pastor" or "reverend" as he professes. But anyways this is not about him, as he strives to get my attention as that is what drives him.

Well I do not have any evidence other than some of the books he has published as of late that are very seeker focused. I mentioned one of them earlier in this thread or perhaps it was on FB. But some on FB has said this.

http://standupforthetruth.com/2012/05/andy-stanley-confounds-the-church-about-homosexuality/

http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2013/05/andy-stanleys-clever-denial-of-biblical-inerrancy.html

I'd keep him there. What has he profited you?

Protection of what is perceived as success is of greater importance to some than Biblical truth. Thus these succumb to this and employ political correctness and numbers as proof they are on the right track.

Scripture suggests otherwise. Numbers have never proven this. Ever. There has and always will be a remnant, or, a 'minority'.

Truth is not popular and never has been. These things show evidence that the 'church' has been hoodwinked by culture et al, it is alleged that since these have numbers they must be right, therefore Word becomes secondary to their perceived success. They come first, the Word second because to them experience is the end all, not the Word. Pragmatism at it's deadliest.

We see the fallacy in such a barometer, and many will rush in to support this because such a person endorses their theological flavor in spite of Biblical evidence that it is all in error. Paul predicted this and it continues today; 2 Timothy 3 & 4.

- Blessings

 

[evangelist6589]

I'd keep him there. What has he profited you?

Protection of what is perceived as success is of greater important to some than Biblical truth. Thus these succumb to this and employ political correctness and numbers as proof they are on the right track.

Scripture suggests otherwise. Numbers have never proven this. Ever. There has and always will be a remnant, or, a 'minority'.

Truth is not popular and never has been. These things show evidence that the 'church' has been hoodwinked by culture et al, it is alleged that since these have numbers they must be right, therefore Word becomes secondary to their perceived success. They come first, the Word second because to them experience is the end all, not the Word. Pragmatism at it's deadliest.

We see the fallacy in such a barometer, and many will rush in to support this because such a person endorses their theological flavor in spite of Biblical evidence that it is all in error. Paul predicted this and it continues today; 2 Timothy 3 & 4.

- Blessings

Just spoke with someone from his church and they suggested I listen to some podcasts. The person said that he does not preach on hell,judgment, and sin as openly as Charles does. The person also was unable to tell me how Andy is different than Joel Osteen. But I will soon find out..

 

[preacher4truth]

Just spoke with someone from his church and they suggested I listen to some podcasts. The person said that he does not preach on hell,judgment, and sin as openly as Charles does. The person also was unable to tell me how Andy is different than Joel Osteen. But I will soon find out..

Find out what you can, but isn't sticking with those who lend themselves toward profitable engagement more beneficial for you?

Not that we cannot learn from error, but such are secondary at their greatest level.

I believe that our main learning should stem from those who are Biblically solid, and from those who offer solid Biblical edification. These should be our mainstay. Anything less than this should be from an 'overflow' of learning.

- Blessings

 

[Thousand Hills]

The person said that he does not preach on hell,judgment, and sin as openly as Charles does. .

Not to derail the thread but thought of this today. I think this guy has a good point in that our culture is "offended" by a God that demands justice, just in the same way that other cultures are "offended" by a God that could be gracious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f8wiYcmejQ

 

[webdog]

I am not talking about Charles Stanley for Ray himself has commended him. But anyways can you make a persuasive argument for Andy Stanley?

How is he different than Joel Osteen?

I'm not talking about Charles either. I've heard numerous sermons from him, and if you think hes anything like Osteen, its clear you know absolutely nothing about him...making this entire thread nothing but unfounded slander and gossip. Actually do some research and real digging on people before starting the kind of threads.

 

[Rippon]

Andy Stanley is an excellent pastor / theologian.

I will have to agree. I think tearing Andy down is like what Scripture warns us against about not devouring one another.

 

[quantumfaith]

That sounds allot like a seeker friendly book!!!!!!! I am sorry but why should I read such trash? I would rather read HARD TO BELIEVE, or ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL. Unless you can make a persuasive argument for why I should read such a book? Can you? Give me a outline of the book and make a good argument and I may reconsider.

Then my point is established......personal preference..... No I won't give you a quote or argument. You should be mature and intellectually astue enough to read something and decide for yourself if it aids in your growth.

Andy does not produce trash. He is a man gifted by God to touch peoples lives with the message of the gospel.

 

[evangelist6589]

Find out what you can, but isn't sticking with those who lend themselves toward profitable engagement more beneficial for you?

Not that we cannot learn from error, but such are secondary at their greatest level.

I believe that our main learning should stem from those who are Biblically solid, and from those who offer solid Biblical edification. These should be our mainstay. Anything less than this should be from an 'overflow' of learning.

- Blessings

I needed to learn from the SOURCE and not rumors and hearsay on the Internet. What I learned in the 2 podcasts I just listened to as I took my walk was that Andy is a great orator. I also learned that his theology leans towards Emergent. I heard some PostMillennialism, but thats not what I did not like. What I did not like was his definition of a Christian which is simply someone whom shows love towards others. Not someone whom has repented of his sin and is a new creation (2 Cor 5:17) and someone that believes Jesus is the only way to salvation (Jn 14:6). Andy may believe that but he did not do a very good job communicating it. So I unsubscribed from his podcasts.

Hmm interesting thread.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=78763

 

[quantumfaith]

I needed to learn from the SOURCE and not rumors and hearsay on the Internet. What I learned in the 2 podcasts I just listened to as I took my walk was that Andy is a great orator. I also learned that his theology leans towards Emergent. I heard some PostMillennialism, but thats not what I did not like. What I did not like was his definition of a Christian which is simply someone whom shows love towards others. Not someone whom has repented of his sin and is a new creation (2 Cor 5:17) and someone that believes Jesus is the only way to salvation (Jn 14:6). Andy may believe that but he did not do a very good job communicating it. So I unsubscribed from his podcasts.

Yay!!!! So your mission is over?

 

[preachinjesus]

I needed to learn from the SOURCE and not rumors and hearsay on the Internet. What I learned in the 2 podcasts I just listened to as I took my walk was that Andy is a great orator. I also learned that his theology leans towards Emergent. I heard some PostMillennialism, but thats not what I did not like. What I did not like was his definition of a Christian which is simply someone whom shows love towards others. Not someone whom has repented of his sin and is a new creation (2 Cor 5:17) and someone that believes Jesus is the only way to salvation (Jn 14:6). Andy may believe that but he did not do a very good job communicating it. So I unsubscribed from his podcasts.

This entire process should give you pause before making additional critiques and impugning the ministry and character of good men of God in the future.

Please stop doing this.

 

[webdog]

I needed to learn from the SOURCE and not rumors and hearsay on the Internet. What I learned in the 2 podcasts I just listened to as I took my walk was that Andy is a great orator. I also learned that his theology leans towards Emergent. I heard some PostMillennialism, but thats not what I did not like. What I did not like was his definition of a Christian which is simply someone whom shows love towards others. Not someone whom has repented of his sin and is a new creation (2 Cor 5:17) and someone that believes Jesus is the only way to salvation (Jn 14:6). Andy may believe that but he did not do a very good job communicating it. So I unsubscribed from his podcasts.

Translation: I listened to a random podcast with the presupposition that he is an Osteen type pastor, and when he failed to touch on specific things I wanted to hear (its not like he doesnt preach every week and doesnt do series like most pastors), I will chalk him up as emergent, will say he doesnt believe Christ is the only way of salvation (since he didnt specifically say He is in the 2 whole podcasts I listened to) and continue to smear him in front of the world while sticking my fingers in my ears to anything else he has to say.

If this is the way you discern people, you are quite immature, spiritually speaking.

 

[evangelist6589]

This entire process should give you pause before making additional critiques and impugning the ministry and character of good men of God in the future.

Please stop doing this.

I have read the Truth War & The Jesus you Cant ignore. They are great books that have taught me to fight for the truth and expose the false teachers.

 

[evangelist6589]

Translation: I listened to a random podcast with the presupposition that he is an Osteen type pastor, and when he failed to touch on specific things I wanted to hear (its not like he doesnt preach every week and doesnt do series like most pastors), I will chalk him up as emergent, will say he doesnt believe Christ is the only way of salvation (since he didnt specifically say He is in the 2 whole podcasts I listened to) and continue to smear him in front of the world while sticking my fingers in my ears to anything else he has to say.

If this is the way you discern people, you are quite immature, spiritually speaking.

I have been doing hours of research on the web and have spoke with like minded brethren in Way of the Master groups on FB.

But granted if you have a good argument then please present it. I could not find one on his website.

 

[webdog]

I have read the Truth War & The Jesus you Cant ignore. They are great books that have taught me to fight for the truth and expose the false teachers.

The problem is you cant even discern who a false teacher is. Ray Comfort teaches one must turn away from their sins to be saved. Thats another gospel.

 

[preacher4truth]

I needed to learn from the SOURCE and not rumors and hearsay on the Internet. What I learned in the 2 podcasts I just listened to as I took my walk was that Andy is a great orator. I also learned that his theology leans towards Emergent. I heard some PostMillennialism, but thats not what I did not like. What I did not like was his definition of a Christian which is simply someone whom shows love towards others. Not someone whom has repented of his sin and is a new creation (2 Cor 5:17) and someone that believes Jesus is the only way to salvation (Jn 14:6). Andy may believe that but he did not do a very good job communicating it. So I unsubscribed from his podcasts.

Hmm interesting thread.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=78763

Brother, when these popular preachers begin to get fuzzy on doctrine, lean on clear and sound doctrine and reject the rest, no matter the opinions of others, and no matter their 'credentials'. Timothy was instructed to do the same and to endure hardness.

Rest upon Scripture, don't succumb to the peer pressure of 'the learned' and 'further enlightened ones'.

:thumbs:

 

[evangelist6589]

The problem is you cant even discern who a false teacher is. Ray Comfort teaches one must turn away from their sins to be saved. Thats another gospel.

Webdog. You mention you like David Jeremiah correct? Have you read his book God Loves You? If you have a copy of it I want to point you to certain pages..

 

[quantumfaith]

Translation: I listened to a random podcast with the presupposition that he is an Osteen type pastor, and when he failed to touch on specific things I wanted to hear (its not like he doesnt preach every week and doesnt do series like most pastors), I will chalk him up as emergent, will say he doesnt believe Christ is the only way of salvation (since he didnt specifically say He is in the 2 whole podcasts I listened to) and continue to smear him in front of the world while sticking my fingers in my ears to anything else he has to say.

If this is the way you discern people, you are quite immature, spiritually speaking.

I think your analysis just might be spot on.

 

[evangelist6589]

Brother, when these popular preachers begin to get fuzzy on doctrine, lean on clear and sound doctrine and reject the rest, no matter the opinions of others, and no matter their 'credentials'. Timothy was instructed to do the same and to endure hardness.

Rest upon Scripture, don't succumb to the peer pressure of 'the learned' and 'further enlightened ones'.

:thumbs:

Amen!!! I have been listening to Charles just know and he is speaking clearly on sin and speaking the gospel in plain english. He also said that those that think of Christians being only good people and not people that believe in Jesus being the only way is a counterfeit and damaging gospel.

 

[webdog]

Webdog. You mention you like David Jeremiah correct? Have you read his book God Loves You? If you have a copy of it I want to point you to certain pages..

I havent read that book, and to be perfectly honest, based on the discernment you have shown here, I would hesitate in what you have to say about Jeremiah. The fact p4t is in your corner on this alone should send up red flags