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Angelic Conflict
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Jesus wants us to worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
Be true to your teeth or they will be false to you.
Without life we would not be living.
We need to get back to the basics of life, a heart that is pure and a love that is blind, a faith that is fervently grounded in Christ.
Everyone wants pizza, but if they have been untrue to their teeth the polygrip probably will not hold.
Be true to your teeth or they will be false to you.
Without life we would not be living.
We need to get back to the basics of life, a heart that is pure and a love that is blind, a faith that is fervently grounded in Christ.
Everyone wants pizza, but if they have been untrue to their teeth the polygrip probably will not hold.
Amy.G said:
I owe it all to Psalms' inspiration, although I fully intend to beat him in this "Dueling Quips That Make Me Sound Profound". Just wait until I bring in the banjo...
twang twang twang twang twang...
I can do pompous blowhard impressions, too. Q had better watch out if I ever take him off ignore. I bet I can out-blowhard him.
Amy.G said:
Well, I haven't posted enough to qualify to answer as your friend, but I definitely feel pleasantly acquainted with you and have enjoyed following your posts. I think you are articulate, and many of your posts echo or answer some of the questions in my own head (that I have trouble giving "voice" to).
I definitely think you're more than justified to feel anger over some of those posts! This is why I have hesitated to post and ask questions--I'm not thick-skinned enough to keep from getting my feelings hurt. You're far braver than I --and it's helping me participate (vicariously) without getting "bloody"! Oh--I know--this really all may BE your fault--coz you had started that thread about how everyone was being nice and getting along so well.....:laugh:
Please pardon the conniving overtones that will be found throughout this letter, but Mr. Alex Quackenbush's "sincerity" is as transparent as the icy, uncaring look in his eyes. So let's begin, quite properly, with a brief look at the historical development of the problem, of its attempted solutions, and of the eternal argument about it. Mr. Quackenbush should stop lying about how everyone with a different set of beliefs from his is going to get a one-way ticket to Hell. That's clear. But the point at which you discover that he is burdened with a dead weight of the most pathetic conceptions and prejudices is not only a moment of disenchantment. It is a moment of resolve, a determination that I find that some of his choices of words in his hijinks would not have been mine. For example, I would have substituted "dim-witted" for "scleroticochorioiditis" and "mealymouthed" for "incomprehensibility." And what of it? On several occasions I have heard him state that the sky is falling. I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a comment. What I consider far more important, though, is that Mr. Quackenbush should clarify his point so people like you and me can tell what the heck he's talking about. Without clarification, Mr. Quackenbush's ruses sound lofty and include some emotionally charged words but don't really seem to make any sense.
The truth hurts, doesn't it, Mr. Quackenbush? As a matter of fact, if Fate desired that he make a correct application of what he had read about vigilantism, it would have to indicate title and page number, since the nettlesome crackpot would otherwise never in all his life find the correct place. But since Fate does not do this, he has vowed that in the near future he'll replicate the most blockish structures of contemporary life. This is hardly news; Mr. Quackenbush has been vowing that for months with the regularity of a metronome. What is news is that when his unforgiving, muzzy-headed utterances are translated into plain, words-mean-things English, Mr. Quackenbush appears to be saying that he can make all of our problems go away merely by sprinkling some sort of magic pink pixie dust over everything that he considers jejune or harebrained. For me, this uncouth moonshine serves only to emphasize how when it comes to Mr. Quackenbush's sound bites, I sincerely feel that we have drifted along for too long in a state of blissful denial and outright complacency. It's time to convince the government to clamp down hard on his undertakings. The sooner we do that, the better, because if you'll allow me a minor dysphemism, the trouble with such self-aggrandizing self-promoters is that they intend to advocate fatalistic acceptance of a self-satisfied new world order. Or, to phrase that a little more politely, Mr. Quackenbush's ideological colors may have changed over the years. Nevertheless, his core principle has remained the same: to support hostile governments known for human rights abuses, wrongful imprisonment, and slavery. If you don't believe me, then note that one of Mr. Quackenbush's associates once said, "Character development is not a matter of 'strength through adversity' but rather, 'entitlement through victimization'." Now that's pretty funny, of course, but I didn't include that quote just to make you laugh. I included it to convince you that implying that women are crazed Pavlovian sex-dogs who will salivate at any object even remotely phallic in shape is no different from implying that Mr. Quackenbush is as innocent as a newborn lamb. Both statements are ludicrous. Even so, we must ratchet up our level of understanding. If we fail in this, we are not failing someone else; we are not disrupting some interest separate from ourselves. Rather, it is we who suffer when we neglect to observe that as that last sentence suggests, there is an unpleasant fact, painful to the tender-minded, that one can deduce from the laws of nature. This fact is also conclusively established by direct observation. It is a fact so obvious that rational people have always known it and no one doubted it until Mr. Quackenbush and his peons started trying to deny it. The fact to which I am referring states that this is no laughing matter. Sad, but true. And it'll only get worse if Mr. Quackenbush finds a way to provide imperialism-oriented primates with an irresistible temptation to kill the messenger and control the message. Now, perhaps you think I'm imagining things. Perhaps you think that Mr. Quackenbush really isn't going to prosecute, sentence, and label people as power-drunk criminal masterminds without the benefit of any evidence whatsoever. Well, I wish it were just my imagination. But you know, he spouts the same bile in everything he writes, making only slight modifications to suit the issue at hand. The issue Mr. Quackenbush's excited about this week is commercialism, which says to me that I normally prefer to listen than to speak. I would, however, like to remind Mr. Quackenbush that if we're to effectively carry out our responsibilities and make a future for ourselves, we will first have to establish democracy and equality.
Maybe it's not fair to call Mr. Quackenbush's provocateurs "morally crippled" just because they woo over unpatriotic ragamuffins by using tactics such as scapegoating, reductionist and simplistic solutions, demagoguery, and a conspiracy theory of history, but remember that Mr. Quackenbush holds onto power like the eunuch mandarins of the Forbidden City -- sterile obstacles to progress who open new avenues for the expression of hate. I feel no shame in writing that his scare tactics may have been conceived in idealism, but they quickly degenerated into money-grubbing pauperism. As I conclude this letter, let me remind you that my goal in writing it was not only to call a spade a spade. I sought also to use this letter as a means to bear witness to the plain, unvarnished truth.
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Pretty cool, huh? If I were ambitious enough, I could go through the complaint and replace a few concepts (government, human rights abuses, etc.) with things relevant to this forum, and I bet this would sound just like one of the bloviations we enjoy so much. Maybe I wouldn't have to do an impression after all, since the complaint generator does a pretty good job.
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The truth hurts, doesn't it, Mr. Quackenbush? As a matter of fact, if Fate desired that he make a correct application of what he had read about vigilantism, it would have to indicate title and page number, since the nettlesome crackpot would otherwise never in all his life find the correct place. But since Fate does not do this, he has vowed that in the near future he'll replicate the most blockish structures of contemporary life. This is hardly news; Mr. Quackenbush has been vowing that for months with the regularity of a metronome. What is news is that when his unforgiving, muzzy-headed utterances are translated into plain, words-mean-things English, Mr. Quackenbush appears to be saying that he can make all of our problems go away merely by sprinkling some sort of magic pink pixie dust over everything that he considers jejune or harebrained. For me, this uncouth moonshine serves only to emphasize how when it comes to Mr. Quackenbush's sound bites, I sincerely feel that we have drifted along for too long in a state of blissful denial and outright complacency. It's time to convince the government to clamp down hard on his undertakings. The sooner we do that, the better, because if you'll allow me a minor dysphemism, the trouble with such self-aggrandizing self-promoters is that they intend to advocate fatalistic acceptance of a self-satisfied new world order. Or, to phrase that a little more politely, Mr. Quackenbush's ideological colors may have changed over the years. Nevertheless, his core principle has remained the same: to support hostile governments known for human rights abuses, wrongful imprisonment, and slavery. If you don't believe me, then note that one of Mr. Quackenbush's associates once said, "Character development is not a matter of 'strength through adversity' but rather, 'entitlement through victimization'." Now that's pretty funny, of course, but I didn't include that quote just to make you laugh. I included it to convince you that implying that women are crazed Pavlovian sex-dogs who will salivate at any object even remotely phallic in shape is no different from implying that Mr. Quackenbush is as innocent as a newborn lamb. Both statements are ludicrous. Even so, we must ratchet up our level of understanding. If we fail in this, we are not failing someone else; we are not disrupting some interest separate from ourselves. Rather, it is we who suffer when we neglect to observe that as that last sentence suggests, there is an unpleasant fact, painful to the tender-minded, that one can deduce from the laws of nature. This fact is also conclusively established by direct observation. It is a fact so obvious that rational people have always known it and no one doubted it until Mr. Quackenbush and his peons started trying to deny it. The fact to which I am referring states that this is no laughing matter. Sad, but true. And it'll only get worse if Mr. Quackenbush finds a way to provide imperialism-oriented primates with an irresistible temptation to kill the messenger and control the message. Now, perhaps you think I'm imagining things. Perhaps you think that Mr. Quackenbush really isn't going to prosecute, sentence, and label people as power-drunk criminal masterminds without the benefit of any evidence whatsoever. Well, I wish it were just my imagination. But you know, he spouts the same bile in everything he writes, making only slight modifications to suit the issue at hand. The issue Mr. Quackenbush's excited about this week is commercialism, which says to me that I normally prefer to listen than to speak. I would, however, like to remind Mr. Quackenbush that if we're to effectively carry out our responsibilities and make a future for ourselves, we will first have to establish democracy and equality.
Maybe it's not fair to call Mr. Quackenbush's provocateurs "morally crippled" just because they woo over unpatriotic ragamuffins by using tactics such as scapegoating, reductionist and simplistic solutions, demagoguery, and a conspiracy theory of history, but remember that Mr. Quackenbush holds onto power like the eunuch mandarins of the Forbidden City -- sterile obstacles to progress who open new avenues for the expression of hate. I feel no shame in writing that his scare tactics may have been conceived in idealism, but they quickly degenerated into money-grubbing pauperism. As I conclude this letter, let me remind you that my goal in writing it was not only to call a spade a spade. I sought also to use this letter as a means to bear witness to the plain, unvarnished truth.
Brought to you by Scott Pakin's automatic complaint generator.
http://www.pakin.org/complaint
Pretty cool, huh? If I were ambitious enough, I could go through the complaint and replace a few concepts (government, human rights abuses, etc.) with things relevant to this forum, and I bet this would sound just like one of the bloviations we enjoy so much. Maybe I wouldn't have to do an impression after all, since the complaint generator does a pretty good job.
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Wow, here's one complaint it generated that took almost no modification to make it work for BB. I love the Santa line. That complaint generator is very good.
This letter has three main sections. In the first, I argue that Mr. Alex Quackenbush is unable to see any issue in a broad perspective or from more than one side. In the second, I make it clear that Mr. Quackenbush seems to be fond of concocting new ways to regulate charlatanism. And in the third and final section, I conclude that his exegeses are not restrained even by morally truncated scruples.
Some background is in order: He really struck a nerve with me when he said that he is the one who will lead us to our great shining insights into Angelic conflicts. That lie is a painful reminder that Mr. Quackenbush extricates himself from difficulty by cowardice, by intrigue, by chicanery, by dissimulation, by trimming, by an untruth, by an injustice. The notion that he can be reformed into an upright and honorable person may be a pleasant and attractive thought. But people who believe that this can happen should ask it of Santa Claus, in whom they doubtless also believe.
Although there's no denying that Mr. Quackenbush is eating our lunch, it may be somewhat more controversial to allege that I myself don't care what others say about him. Mr. Quackenbush's still insipid, paltry, and he intends to preach hatred. Pathological dirtbags represent one of the most temperamental wings of mutinous, birdbrained diabolism you can possibly find. I submit that everyone should stop and mull that assertion. Then, you'll understand why you may be wondering why chauvinistic thugs latch onto Mr. Quackenbush's posts. It's because people of that nature need to have rhetoric and dogma to recite during times of stress in order to cope. That's also why there isn't a man, woman, or child alive today who thinks that we can all live together happily like the members of some 1960s-style dope-smoking commune, so let's toss out that ridiculous argument of Mr. Quackenbush's from the get-go. Mr. Quackenbush has been trying for some time to convince people that the best way to make a point is with foaming-at-the-mouth rhetoric and letters filled primarily with pompous exclamations. History has once again proved me right, but what makes matters entirely intolerable is knowing that I wouldn't want to subvert time-tested societal norms. I would, on the other hand, love to bring him to justice. But, hey, I'm already doing that with this letter. I would like to go on, but I do have to keep this letter short. So I'll wrap it up by saying that the hate just keeps on coming.
This letter has three main sections. In the first, I argue that Mr. Alex Quackenbush is unable to see any issue in a broad perspective or from more than one side. In the second, I make it clear that Mr. Quackenbush seems to be fond of concocting new ways to regulate charlatanism. And in the third and final section, I conclude that his exegeses are not restrained even by morally truncated scruples.
Some background is in order: He really struck a nerve with me when he said that he is the one who will lead us to our great shining insights into Angelic conflicts. That lie is a painful reminder that Mr. Quackenbush extricates himself from difficulty by cowardice, by intrigue, by chicanery, by dissimulation, by trimming, by an untruth, by an injustice. The notion that he can be reformed into an upright and honorable person may be a pleasant and attractive thought. But people who believe that this can happen should ask it of Santa Claus, in whom they doubtless also believe.
Although there's no denying that Mr. Quackenbush is eating our lunch, it may be somewhat more controversial to allege that I myself don't care what others say about him. Mr. Quackenbush's still insipid, paltry, and he intends to preach hatred. Pathological dirtbags represent one of the most temperamental wings of mutinous, birdbrained diabolism you can possibly find. I submit that everyone should stop and mull that assertion. Then, you'll understand why you may be wondering why chauvinistic thugs latch onto Mr. Quackenbush's posts. It's because people of that nature need to have rhetoric and dogma to recite during times of stress in order to cope. That's also why there isn't a man, woman, or child alive today who thinks that we can all live together happily like the members of some 1960s-style dope-smoking commune, so let's toss out that ridiculous argument of Mr. Quackenbush's from the get-go. Mr. Quackenbush has been trying for some time to convince people that the best way to make a point is with foaming-at-the-mouth rhetoric and letters filled primarily with pompous exclamations. History has once again proved me right, but what makes matters entirely intolerable is knowing that I wouldn't want to subvert time-tested societal norms. I would, on the other hand, love to bring him to justice. But, hey, I'm already doing that with this letter. I would like to go on, but I do have to keep this letter short. So I'll wrap it up by saying that the hate just keeps on coming.
Cool it, already, everyone!!
I may or may not agree with any or all of what is said by Amy. G, Alex Quackenbush, npetreley, or J.D., but I do seem to sense some are quickly taking offense here, and very easily, at that. Maybe what is really needed is for all to get a few hours sleep.
Ed
Excuse me?? Didn't I just read something from you about someone else using harsh language??J.D. said:
I may or may not agree with any or all of what is said by Amy. G, Alex Quackenbush, npetreley, or J.D., but I do seem to sense some are quickly taking offense here, and very easily, at that. Maybe what is really needed is for all to get a few hours sleep.
Ed
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With all respect, I'd prefer to be called either Ed or EdSutton, especially since I refer to myself on the BB as EdSutton, as well, since that does not allow the possibility of the caricature of the old TV show to be applied, please.J.D. said:
Thank you for your consideration in this.
Ed
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May I add a bit to the general topic. Regardless of my personal view on this, these are legitimate ideas among several of whom I would consider among fairly orthodox believers, that hold to some form of this idea.
And it is, likewise, believed by some who are highly unlikely to be in any real danger, anytime soon, of being rated in the 'ultra-orthodox' camp, by me as well.
Neither of the above prove anything, per se, but there is at least a smattering of Biblical support for some of this view.
And it is, likewise, believed by some who are highly unlikely to be in any real danger, anytime soon, of being rated in the 'ultra-orthodox' camp, by me as well.
Neither of the above prove anything, per se, but there is at least a smattering of Biblical support for some of this view.
Ed
EdSutton said:
I assume most of us, if not all of us, are familiar with those verses. The issue isn't whether or not there is a conflict among God/angels/devil/demons/other-spiritual-beings. The issue is how it relates to what happened with Adam and Eve in the garden, and the plan of redemption.
All due respect to everyone here, but aren't personal attacks against the rules of the forum? Not to mention very un-Christ-like? I understand that everyone is getting upset, but it seems to me that we should still follow Biblical practices, i.e. speak to the brother in private first, with two or three others next, and finally to the leadership, which in this case would be the board moderators.
Just so you know, I agree that some of Q's posts have been inappropriate as well. I have no problem with anyone having a large vocabulary...I have one myself. :laugh: I think it's because I've been reading everything I could get my hands on since I learned to read! Anyway, the problem comes in when that vocabulary is used in a blatant attempt to cover up the fact that the person really doesn't have an answer to the question being asked. What ever happened to admitting "I don't know" when you're stumped by something?
Q, I agree with a lot of your posts, although I will admit I'm at a loss with this one, but brother you need to get a handle on yourself. You're on a message board with a lot of people who may have a smaller vocabulary than you do. Even those who share your vocabulary are puzzled by some of your statements, myself included. State your point succinctly, and you will get a much better response. You honestly can't expect people to buy books to read on topics that you have introduced either...many of us do not have time for such things. For example, I am a busy wife, mother of four, and college student. I barely have time to read my textbooks every week! :BangHead: I don't want to see you (or anyone else) get banned because they got too personal. So, if you want us to understand what this is all about, try to explain it to us. Scripture references would be nice, also! :thumbs:
Just so you know, I agree that some of Q's posts have been inappropriate as well. I have no problem with anyone having a large vocabulary...I have one myself. :laugh: I think it's because I've been reading everything I could get my hands on since I learned to read! Anyway, the problem comes in when that vocabulary is used in a blatant attempt to cover up the fact that the person really doesn't have an answer to the question being asked. What ever happened to admitting "I don't know" when you're stumped by something?
Q, I agree with a lot of your posts, although I will admit I'm at a loss with this one, but brother you need to get a handle on yourself. You're on a message board with a lot of people who may have a smaller vocabulary than you do. Even those who share your vocabulary are puzzled by some of your statements, myself included. State your point succinctly, and you will get a much better response. You honestly can't expect people to buy books to read on topics that you have introduced either...many of us do not have time for such things. For example, I am a busy wife, mother of four, and college student. I barely have time to read my textbooks every week! :BangHead: I don't want to see you (or anyone else) get banned because they got too personal. So, if you want us to understand what this is all about, try to explain it to us. Scripture references would be nice, also! :thumbs:
psalms109:31
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If it wasn't for you those going against what God convinced me of in my youth that God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth and He made us the messenger. I wouldn't have never studied the scripture to find the truth.
The scripture still shows it and I want you to know.
I know I have weakness in communicating and it is easy to make fun of me, but I praise God for my weakness so His power will rest on me.
If it wasn't for you those going against what God convinced me of in my youth that God wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth and He made us the messenger. I wouldn't have never studied the scripture to find the truth.
The scripture still shows it and I want you to know.
I know I have weakness in communicating and it is easy to make fun of me, but I praise God for my weakness so His power will rest on me.