Angels don't necessarily have omniscience.

[Jope]

If omniscience was a requisite for angels, the angels of Genesis 19 wouldn't have asked Lot whether or not he had "anyone else [in his abode]...ons-in law, sons, daughters, or anyone...in the city" (v. 12, ESV). The angels would've already knew.

Some angels do have science to "know all things that are in the earth" (2 Sam. 14:20, KJV) though (otherwise the woman wouldn't have assimilated David's wisdom to an angel of God that has such knowledge).

 

[Zenas]

I don't know whether they are omniscient but they are pretty smart. And to think we humans will be judging them in eternity. :saint:

 

[Tom Bryant]

If omniscience was a requisite for angels, the angels of Genesis 19 wouldn't have asked Lot whether or not he had "anyone else [in his abode]...ons-in law, sons, daughters, or anyone...in the city" (v. 12, ESV). The angels would've already knew.

Some angels do have science to "know all things that are in the earth" (2 Sam. 14:20, KJV) though (otherwise the woman wouldn't have assimilated David's wisdom to an angel of God that has such knowledge).

Did anyone ever say they were all knowing?

 

[webdog]

Only God is omniscient. Angels are created beings.

 

[Scarlett O.]

If omniscience was a requisite for angels, the angels of Genesis 19 wouldn't have asked Lot whether or not he had "anyone else [in his abode]...ons-in law, sons, daughters, or anyone...in the city" (v. 12, ESV). The angels would've already knew.

Jope, I've never heard of anyone who has believed that angels are omniscient. It's impossible. They aren't God.

Some angels do have science to "know all things that are in the earth" (2 Sam. 14:20, KJV) though (otherwise the woman wouldn't have assimilated David's wisdom to an angel of God that has such knowledge).

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but whenever we see in the Old Testament, phrases like "Angel of the LORD" or Angel of God" and this "angel" has characteristics OF God -

- then this is a reference TO God and and an angel like Gabriel or Michael.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but whenever we see in the Old Testament, phrases like "Angel of the LORD" or Angel of God" and this "angel" has characteristics OF God -

Preincarnate Christ ! :wavey:

 

[preachinjesus]

Only God is omniscient. Angels are created beings.

Absolutely! :thumbsup:

 

[Jope]

Did anyone ever say they were all knowing?

Some at least, have knowledge of "all things that are in the earth" (2 Sam. 14:20, KJV). I suppose, that, since "heaven" isn't included in the passage, it can't be assumed that they have knowledge of all things that are in heaven.

So angels aren't necessarily omniscient of things in heaven, though some are omniscient of things that are in the earth.

 

[preachinjesus]

So angels aren't necessarily omniscient of things in heaven, though some are omniscient of things that are in the earth.

Omniscience isn't subjective, it is an absolute quality of deity. You can't be omniscient of "some things."

Omniscience is total knowledge of all events in creation and includes exhaustive foreknowledge, historical reflection, and present observation.

There is nothing surprising for an omniscient being.

You need to check up on your definitions if you think less of omniscience than I just described.

 

[Jope]

You need to check up on your definitions

"All banks are beside rivers.
Therefore, the financial institution where I deposit my money is beside a river."

~ http://www.fallacyfiles.org/equivoqu.html

Equivocation is the type of ambiguity which occurs when a single word or phrase is ambiguous, and this ambiguity is not grammatical but lexical. So, when a phrase equivocates, it is not due to grammar, but to the phrase as a whole having two distinct meanings.

Of course, most words are ambiguous, but context usually makes a univocal meaning clear.

(Same URL source as above)

 

[Jope]

You can't be omniscient of "some things."

If an angel is all knowing of things that happen in the earth, then he is omniscient (omni = all; science = knowledge) of things that happen in the earth.

 

[preachinjesus]

If an angel is all knowing of things that happen in the earth, then he is omniscient (omni = all; science = knowledge) of things that happen in the earth.

Just shaking my head at this point...

No created being is omniscient. For at some point prior to their creation, something was unknowable. As a result only uncreated beings can be omniscient. Angels are created beings. God is uncreated. Only God can be omniscient, only God is omniscient. Angels are not omniscient as they fail to meet one of the basic conditions of being omniscient, that is being uncreated.

This is classical and accepted orthodoxy. You can't believe angels are omniscient.

Having knowledge of parts of creation or even acts in history does not equal omniscience.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Good gravy!! I left out a very important word in my first post and it's too late to edit. It should say NOT like Gabriel and Michael.

Jope, I've looked it up and I was correct. "Angel of the LORD" and "Angel of God" is NOT in reference to a created angel. Your 2 Samuel 14:20 reference is not talking about a created angel knowing all things.

It's in reference to God. It doesn't mean that God is an angel, obviously. But, in general term, and not in this passage, God has sent a message via a manifestation of Himself. He did not speak to this woman - Joab told her what to say, as Tom said below.

Your passage is not supporting created angels as omniscient. Whether Joab meant harm or foul, he was the "mouthpiece" of this woman and her telling David that he was as knowledgable as God in David's discovering her deceit .... in my opinion, she was buttering him up because he caught her in a lie and it scared her.

 

[Aaron]

never mind

 

[Tom Bryant]

If omniscience was a requisite for angels, the angels of Genesis 19 wouldn't have asked Lot whether or not he had "anyone else [in his abode]...ons-in law, sons, daughters, or anyone...in the city" (v. 12, ESV). The angels would've already knew.

Some angels do have science to "know all things that are in the earth" (2 Sam. 14:20, KJV) though (otherwise the woman wouldn't have assimilated David's wisdom to an angel of God that has such knowledge).

Take a look at the context of this verse.

The king asked, “Isn’t the hand of Joab with you in all this?”
The woman answered, “As surely as you live, my lord the king, no one can turn to the right or to the left from anything my lord the king says. Yes, it was your servant Joab who instructed me to do this and who put all these words into the mouth of your servant. 20 Your servant Joab did this to change the present situation. My lord has wisdom like that of an angel of God—he knows everything that happens in the land.”

If this verse is teachng that some angels have omniscience about stuff on the earth, it is also saying that Joab did too.

You're ripping a phrase, not even a verse, out of context and contorting it to say what it does not say at all.