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Annointing with oil for the sick...

mandym

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Irrelevant. Care to refute the bolded portion instead of attack the source? Also, still waiting on your qualifications that appear to trump my understanding...

I refuted it long before you posted it. See my post with RWP comments. You do not post an understanding based on anything other than what you want rather than an educated understanding of how it was used. Then you run out and post the first thing you find that agrees with you with no knowledge of who the person is or their world view. That is certainly your prerogative but it brings question to your understanding of what you are even posting.
 

webdog

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I refuted it long before you posted it. See my post with RWP comments.
I see...the RWP comments are inspired now.
You do not post an understanding based on anything other than what you want rather than an educated understanding of how it was used.
False accusation.
Then you run out and post the first thing you find that agrees with you with no knowledge of who the person is or their world view. That is certainly your prerogative but it brings question to your understanding of what you are even posting.
Like I said prior, I have an understanding of what it means to be annointed. I gave the historic background on what it means, and then cite another author who also agrees with my understanding. You do nothing but call out my qualifications in understanding this text...and then supply your own author, that for whatever reason, must trump my understanding. If anything I think it is apparent who is looking for something to grasp at. You then fail to supply your qualifications that negate my understanding as being uninformed on this topic. I would like you to deal with ANNOINTING WITH OIL, from how it was defined in the OT to how is is further refined in the NT.

If you cannot have a meaningful discussion about the topic, no sense in going further.
 

mandym

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I see...the RWP comments are inspired now.
False accusation.
Like I said prior, I have an understanding of what it means to be annointed. I gave the historic background on what it means, and then cite another author who also agrees with my understanding. You do nothing but call out my qualifications in understanding this text...and then supply your own author, that for whatever reason, must trump my understanding. If anything I think it is apparent who is looking for something to grasp at. You then fail to supply your qualifications that negate my understanding as being uninformed on this topic. I would like you to deal with ANNOINTING WITH OIL, from how it was defined in the OT to how is is further refined in the NT.

If you cannot have a meaningful discussion about the topic, no sense in going further.

Exactly, no sense in going further.
 

webdog

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Exactly, no sense in going further.
No problem, but would like to know on what authority you stood on in making the comment "With all due respect you are speaking on something you have no real understanding of."
 

mandym

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No problem, but would like to know on what authority you stood on in making the comment "With all due respect you are speaking on something you have no real understanding of."

I gave it in my post with RWP. And I can supply at least 3 or 4 more if you would like. Your comment said that it could only have been ingested rather than rubbed.
 

webdog

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I gave it in my post with RWP. And I can supply at least 3 or 4 more if you would like. Your comment said that it could only have been ingested rather than rubbed.
Not sure how that would help as I could do the same.

Also, I never said anything to that fact. Please read what I wrote instead of what you would like to hear.

Fact is you never engaged me on the purpose of anointing and the context involved, but rather cited one source that appears to be the end-all, be-all in defining the purpose. If you want to believe that, that's fine...but do understand it is not the ONLY (or most accurate, IMO) rendering. No need in calling out the qualifications of those who you disagree with simply because they disagree.
 

mandym

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Not sure how that would help as I could do the same.

Also, I never said anything to that fact. Please read what I wrote instead of what you would like to hear.

Sure you did post number 46

Fact is you never engaged me on the purpose of anointing and the context involved, but rather cited one source that appears to be the end-all, be-all in defining the purpose. If you want to believe that, that's fine...but do understand it is not the ONLY (or most accurate, IMO) rendering. No need in calling out the qualifications of those who you disagree with simply because they disagree.

I am not going to restate things already said in this thread. You need to go back and read the rest of it.
 

webdog

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Sure you did post number 46
You just proved my point. I said "The medicinal qualities would have most likely came from ingestion, not topical usage." We are discussing severe illnesses most likely life threatening, not as my daughter would say "boo boos".



I am not going to restate things already said in this thread. You need to go back and read the rest of it.
Just did prior to your post. My point remains you have no leg to stand on in making the statement ""With all due respect you are speaking on something you have no real understanding of."
 

mandym

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You just proved my point. I said "The medicinal qualities would have most likely came from ingestion, not topical usage." We are discussing severe illnesses most likely life threatening, not as my daughter would say "boo boos".


Your bold changes nothing


Just did prior to your post. My point remains you have no leg to stand on in making the statement ""With all due respect you are speaking on something you have no real understanding of."

Sure I do. You reduced the use of oil to simply ingestion. That could not be farther from the truth.
 

annsni

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I just want to address the ingestion/application issue. The passage says "if any of you are sick" - meaning ill, not injured. So we are applying oil to a person who is ill. So assuming the oil was medicinal, how would that work for an ill person?
 

freeatlast

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I just want to address the ingestion/application issue. The passage says "if any of you are sick" - meaning ill, not injured. So we are applying oil to a person who is ill. So assuming the oil was medicinal, how would that work for an ill person?

It would make their insides real slippery. :laugh:
 

Jerome

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So we are applying oil to a person who is ill. So assuming the oil was medicinal, how would that work for an ill person?

Already addressed:

That olive oil was used at times to help in healing is evident from various sources. Josephus (Antiq XVII, 172, vi 5) indicates King Herod was given a bath in oil when he was near death in the hope it would bring about a cure. Philo speaks about oil being used for healing (Som II, 58). Likewise the papyri have such references, and in rabbinic literature there are examples of oil being used in the treatment of bodily pains, skin diseases, headaches, and wounds (Str—B 1, 249). The well-known physician Galen said oil was the best of all remedies for paralysis (De Simplicum Medicamentorum Temperamentis 2.l0ff). The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament also has numerous references to healing in the discussion of the verb "anoint" (a0lei/fw).
 

annsni

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It would make their insides real slippery. :laugh:

That's why we give oil to horses! To help keep things lubricated and to give them extra fat. Trust me, you give them enough, you know it from the barn chores. :laugh:
 
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