Another Article......

[Salty]

Lets discuss this one as well

This gets into the Bible before 1611.....

 

[TCassidy]

Those who promote the modern bible versions do not believe any Bible is the inspired, infallible, preserved, and pure words of the living God.

Lie #1. I believe every bible in the vernacular is the inspired, infallible, preserved, and pure word of God in the receptor language, in the derivative sense.

They tell us "the original Hebrew and Greek" is their final authority, hoping no one will notice that there is no such animal on the face of this earth.

Lie #2. Actually there is.

They don't have it, have never seen it, and wouldn't recognize it if it fell on their heads.

Lie #3. Actually I have three Hebrew bibles and about 10 Greek bibles.

There are no original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts anywhere.

If he means the very first manuscript penned by the prophets of the OT and the Apostles and their associates in the NT, he is correct. But if he thinks God did not preserve those words in the copies, he denies the preservation he says above that we deny. Ironic isn't it? I assert preservation and he denies it!

There are several different Hebrew texts plus the conflicting Dead Sea Scrolls.

Lie #4. There are two Hebrew textforms the Ben Chayyim and the Ben Asher. Some, but by no means all, of the Dead Sear Scrolls reflect a different textform sometimes called the "Septuagint Type Text" or the "Vorlage Text." But the differences are minor. I have three Hebrew texts.

There are over 25 different conflicting Greek texts.

There are 31 that all go by the name "textus receptus" and 27 under the Nestle-Aland banner, and 4 under the UBS name. Then there are the Majority Text of Hodges and Farstad, and two editions of "The New Testament According to the Byzantine Textform" by Maurice Robinson and the late William Pierpont. So, the closer number would be around 65.

The multitude of modern versions, like the NASB, NIV, RSV, ESV, depart scores of times from the Hebrew Masoretic texts, and often not in the same places.

Lie #5. The Ben Chayyim text differs from the Ben Asher text in only 8 places that would affect translation.

They are also based on very different Greek texts than that of the King James Bible, though none of them always follows the same Greek text as the others.

Lie #6. There are several English versions based on the traditional text. KJV. NKJV, EMTV, LJV, MKJV, KJII, LITV, KJ and on and on.

The NKJV does not always follow the same Greek text as the King James Bible and the meaning has been radically changed in scores of verses.

Lie #6. The NKJV follows exactly the same NT text as the KJV, and although it follows a different printed OT text than the KJV in every place where the texts differ they NKJV committee followed the KJV reading.

They often differ among themselves in both text and meaning, and contain several provable theological errors.

Name one.

We who believe God meant what He said about preserving His words are ridiculed as ignorant, backwater fanatics.

I am the one who believe in preservation. You are the one who denied it in your statement above.

We believe God is the sovereign ruler of history and has preserved for us today all His pure words in the King James Bible.

So do I, but not in the KJV exclusively.

 

[rsr]

Will Kinney at his best.

 

[TCassidy]

Will Kinney at his best.

Which is not too good.

 

[Greektim]

Are we getting so bored with a lack of KJVOers here that we have to bring them in via Kinney??? I may just leave the BB if that is the case.

 

[rsr]

But he's a master of what I call the "hurricane" method of debate: Launch a gust of arguments of varying degrees of validity against your opponent in hopes that he will be blown over by the sheer mass and force of the assault. Most will feel overwhelmed and simply move on. Some will try to answer, but hardly anyone wants to address every single point (life is too short, after all). Any point you fail to refute (no matter how tangental or absurd), of course, becomes proof that you have failed to successfully refute any points, so he wins.