Another Catholic Question

[Matt Black]

I'm concerned more about the potential for abuse of such a doctrine rather than the doctrine itself.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Matt...

"I'm concerned more about the potential for abuse of such a doctrine rather than the doctrine itself."

And of course the "abuse", as you call it, has been fully embraced, promoted and glorified in the Church of Rome cult for centuries.

 

[DHK]

i buy it...because Mary's obedient submission to the will of God offset Eve's disobedience in Paradise. in Orthodoxy we teach that, as Christ is the "New Adam", Mary, the Theotokos is the "New Eve". -

Did you read posts #24, 25, 26 on page 3. Apparently not.

 

[Agnus_Dei]

Did you read posts #24, 25, 26 on page 3. Apparently not.

no...been awhile since i've been on BB...

In XC
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[Alive in Christ]

Peggy...

"The disobedience of Eve was atoned for by the obedience of Mary."

That is 100% pure heresy. There is no atonement for sin that is available but though Christ. Not Mary. Its ideas that you just articulated that has caused the Catholics and Orthodox to be perpetuating pure, unadulterated goddess worship for all the world to see for all these centuries.

Mary was a sinner just like everyone of us are. God chose to use her to bring Christ physically into the world. That simple fact is where it ends regarding Mary.

 

[Zenas]

Peggy...



That is 100% pure heresy. There is no atonement for sin that is available but though Christ. Not Mary. Its ideas that you just articulated that has caused the Catholics and Orthodox to be perpetuating pure, unadulterated goddess worship for all the world to see for all these centuries.

Mary was a sinner just like everyone of us are. God chose to use her to bring Christ physically into the world. That simple fact is where it ends regarding Mary.

When Peggy is speaking of atonement, I don't think she was referring to atonement as in forgiveness of sin. She probably meant it in a correctional sense such as, "I got up late this morning so I must work late as atonement for that lapse of work time." There are certain parallels between Eve and Mary that are undeniable. Even Albert Mohler recognizes them.

The early fathers of the Church remind us of how central this doctrine is to the Christian faith. We read Augustine, Justin, Irenaeus and so many others. They point to Mary as the new Eve! This child was not conceived in Eve, but in Mary. The curse is reversed not by Cain but by Christ. Mary is the new Eve. If we do not see this in terms of its oppositional parallelism, we do not understand the New Testament. (From a sermon delivered at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary on 10/10/2007.)

And no, it doesn't end at the birth of Jesus. "From this time on, all generations will count me blessed."

 

[BobRyan]

Mary is a sinner - and has a sinful nature. Mary chose to obey in the case of the birth of Christ an act of the human cooperating with the Divine. But salvation is all of God - it was not Mary's idea - nor did she die on the cross nor he she in any since co-redeemer (redemptrix). Rather she is yet another sinner who in need of salvation herself calls Christ her Savior.

Eve had no sinful nature and was not sinner and needed no Savior. She then chose to sin and only after Adam ALSO chose to sin -- did all mankind enter a fallen condition.

If Eve had fallen "Alone" mankind would have survived "sinless". Only Eve would have sufferred in that case.

in Christ,

Bob