Anti-Calvin

[Thinkingstuff]

Someone gave be a book a few weeks ago and I finally started reading it. It is What Love Is This by Dave Hunt. It is over 500 pages of anti-calvinism. A lady at my church gave it to me...not sure why because I have no idea exactly what I believe in the topic.

I am only chapters into it and so far Hunts has not dealt with any of the 5 points. All he has offered so far is that Calvin was a bad guy who did some unholy things...burning people at the stake, etc, etc,. Hunt spends some time shown how Calvin was closing tied to the Catholic church and he pulled much from Augustine..who Hunts calls a heretic.

My question is: EVen if Calvin was a horrific person does that mean we should throw his thoughts and teaching out the window? Isn't possible that he came to some truth despite his evils? I just think Hunt is spending way too much time on the topic of the man.

By the way I find humorous that a guy who is not a Calvinist; who doesn't believe in Total Depravity is spending so much showing how depraved Calvin was.:laugh:

Augustine is a heretic? Hmmm.

 

[donnA]

No, not perfect. No one is, but does confidence play a role in who you are willing to listen to and is there a Biblical standard for the one that fills the pulpit and teachers podium?

If they are christians, whom God has forgiven, then they qualify. You can not scripturally hold a persons past against them. Wehter or not you chose to be confident in the work of God in a persons life is another topic all together.

 

[skypair]

Hunt doubts that Calvin was saved, shortandy. What kind of spiritual understanding does God give to the lost? (Read 1Cor 2:7-14)

1 Corinthians 2:14 :"The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned."

And the "natural man" does NOT have the Spirit. That is, the unregenerate -- even the "elect" before they are "regnenerate" -- cannot "accept the things that come from the Spirit of God." Let me ask you -- the day before you were "regenerate," were you "unregenerate?"

What Calvin taught was not from the so-called 'wisdom' of the world. Calvin explained spiritual realities with spirit-taught words.( see 1 Cor. 2:13 )

That's a debatable issue, rip.

Is it theoretically possible for you to ever have a civil word typed on your computer screen?

It is getting less and less likely as regards Calvin and Calvinism. I'm sure I would have been a) exiled from Geneva or b) burned at the stake for my biblical stances. I see that is exactly what you are trying to do so I will consider myself a verbal martyr for the word of God, thank you. :jesus:

skypair

 

[Rippon]

And the "natural man" does NOT have the Spirit. That is, the unregenerate -- even the "elect" before they are "regnenerate" -- cannot "accept the things that come from the Spirit of God." Let me ask you -- the day before you were "regenerate," were you "unregenerate?"

Rip : How in the world did you ever arrive at that? Of couse the natural person does not have the Spirit --one is unregenerate without the Holy Spirit in residence.If anyone teaches otherwise they are against the clear teaching of 1 Cor. 2:4.

I will consider myself a verbal martyr for the word of God...

What a hoot!

 

[Tom Butler]

If I were looking for someone to provide the strongest, most articulate arguments against Calvinism, it wouldn't be Dave Hunt.

If I were not a Calvinist, I would want our own BB member Allan on my side.

 

[Grasshopper]

Dave Hunt was dealt with here: http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?amount=0&blogid=1&query=Dave+Hunt

Dave Hunt a coward?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw-Q41TKBxQ

 

[jdlongmire]

Dave Hunt was dealt with here: http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?amount=0&blogid=1&query=Dave+Hunt

Dave Hunt a coward?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw-Q41TKBxQ

:thumbs:good ones!

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Dave Hunt was dealt with here: http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?amount=0&blogid=1&query=Dave+Hunt

Dave Hunt a coward?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw-Q41TKBxQ

I would not have believed Hunt was that bad at trying ot refute Calvinism unless I had seen him do it on those youtube videos.

 

[skypair]

Rip: Of couse the natural person does not have the Spirit --one is unregenerate without the Holy Spirit in residence. If anyone teaches otherwise they are against the clear teaching of 1 Cor. 2:4.

OK, let me get this straight --- you were a "natural man." Then the Spirit was "in residence." Then you were saved? Then, still knowing NOTHING of the gospel, you heard, believed, and repented?

I will consider myself a verbal martyr for the word of God...

Well then, reconsider. Consider yourself a "martyr for the word of Calvin." Cause Christ wouldn't recognize -- not even in Mt 25:12 -- your "musings" on salvation.

skypair

 

[Rippon]

I will consider myself a verbal martyr for the word of God...

I just want to remind the folks that those were your words, not mine.Of course you want them to think otherwise, don't you?

 

[rsr]

The Baptist Board, of course, does not intend to make martyrs, of any kind, of anyone.

Dial it back, please.

 

[EdSutton]

Cancha' just feel the love, every time any "C" vs. "A" thread crawls out from under a rock??

Ed

 

[Shortandy]

The Baptist Board, of course, does not intend to make martyrs, of any kind, of anyone.

Dial it back, please.

I know. I never intended this thread to go in that direction. My question was intended to get us discussing what legitimizes truth. Can we dismiss the claims of Calvin and not even examine them simiply because, according to Hunt, he did some horrific things?

 

[mparkerfd20]

I will consider myself a verbal martyr for the word of God...

I just want to remind the folks that those were your words, not mine.Of course you want them to think otherwise, don't you?

That is hilarious that he tried to use his own quote and say it was yours. That's very typical of him though.:laugh: