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Anti-Catholics or Anti-Catholicism
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The christian faith is perpetuated by people hearing the Gospel, embracing Christ through faith alone, and being at that point added to the church(the body of Christ...thats all "the church" is.) by the Holy Spirit.
The faith is not perpetuated by "laying hands" on a person.
Thats not to say that sometimes laying on of hands isnt a perfectly acceptable thing to do. I layed hands on someone last week that I was praying for. But that is not how the christian faith is perpetuated, and it should play "zero" part in determining whether a body of believers is legitimate or not.
Do they proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ?
If so, then they are connected to the ancient church that started on the day of pentecost.
One by one, people hearing the gospel, being drawn by the Spirit, and embracing Christ through faith alone.
I became part of that continual stream of people in february of 1982, by the same Holy Spirit who was there on the day of pentecost.
Thats an awesome thought.
God bless,
Mike
The faith is not perpetuated by "laying hands" on a person.
Thats not to say that sometimes laying on of hands isnt a perfectly acceptable thing to do. I layed hands on someone last week that I was praying for. But that is not how the christian faith is perpetuated, and it should play "zero" part in determining whether a body of believers is legitimate or not.
Do they proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ?
If so, then they are connected to the ancient church that started on the day of pentecost.
One by one, people hearing the gospel, being drawn by the Spirit, and embracing Christ through faith alone.
I became part of that continual stream of people in february of 1982, by the same Holy Spirit who was there on the day of pentecost.
Thats an awesome thought.
God bless,
Mike
Jude,
I dont have time right now, but later tonight I'll be able to find it and put up a link...but you might already know about it.
They certainly arent getting that evil from the scriptures, so it must be coming from either "tradition"(probably not) or "reason".(probably)
"What say you?"
God bless,
Mike
What would you say to the article in our local newspapar yesterday that some Anglicans are using their "reason" to reason that it perfectly acceptable to ordain homosexuals?
I dont have time right now, but later tonight I'll be able to find it and put up a link...but you might already know about it.
They certainly arent getting that evil from the scriptures, so it must be coming from either "tradition"(probably not) or "reason".(probably)
"What say you?"
God bless,
Mike
Jude,
Well, my recollection was only partially correct. Most of the article was about blessing homosexual marriages...still an abomination of course...with a bit at the end about ordaining homosexuals.
Here are 2 excerpts, with a link following...
1st...
"ST. CATHARINES, Ontario - The Anglican Church of Canada affirmed the "integrity and sanctity" of same-sex relationships yesterday, a move that stops short of authorizing blessing ceremonies for gay couples but still might provoke rancor in the global Anglican Communion.
The "sanctity" measure, which passed with a show of hands at a national church meeting, was offered to encourage gays and lesbians and their supporters. Gay advocates were disheartened by a decision Wednesday to delay any national go-ahead on church blessing ceremonies for same-sex couples until at least 2007.
Chris Ambidge, Toronto leader of Integrity, the Anglican gay and lesbian caucus, said yesterday's "sanctity" action will be very helpful in evangelizing gays and lesbians. "This says the Anglican Church values you as partnered people," he said."
2nd...
"Anglicanism is already split over consecration of an openly gay bishop in the U.S. Episcopal Church and a move by Canada's New Westminster (Vancouver area) Diocese, independent of the national church, to approve same-sex blessings."
Link...www.kentucky.com/mld/heraldleader/news/world/8834869.htm
God bless,
Mike
Well, my recollection was only partially correct. Most of the article was about blessing homosexual marriages...still an abomination of course...with a bit at the end about ordaining homosexuals.
Here are 2 excerpts, with a link following...
1st...
"ST. CATHARINES, Ontario - The Anglican Church of Canada affirmed the "integrity and sanctity" of same-sex relationships yesterday, a move that stops short of authorizing blessing ceremonies for gay couples but still might provoke rancor in the global Anglican Communion.
The "sanctity" measure, which passed with a show of hands at a national church meeting, was offered to encourage gays and lesbians and their supporters. Gay advocates were disheartened by a decision Wednesday to delay any national go-ahead on church blessing ceremonies for same-sex couples until at least 2007.
Chris Ambidge, Toronto leader of Integrity, the Anglican gay and lesbian caucus, said yesterday's "sanctity" action will be very helpful in evangelizing gays and lesbians. "This says the Anglican Church values you as partnered people," he said."
2nd...
"Anglicanism is already split over consecration of an openly gay bishop in the U.S. Episcopal Church and a move by Canada's New Westminster (Vancouver area) Diocese, independent of the national church, to approve same-sex blessings."
Link...www.kentucky.com/mld/heraldleader/news/world/8834869.htm
God bless,
Mike
The Anglican Triad of Scripture, Tradition and Reason ALWAYS held that Scripture was the final authority. Those who claim that "the Spirit is doing a new thing," or that "reason tells us that homosexual unions are a good thing," are doing-so without giving Scripture it's proper weight and authority. And they are also ignoring 2,000 years of Church 'Tradition' that condemns the practice of the same. And that's why the Anglican Communion will divide in the very near future. (and to that I say "HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!")
Joseph_Botwinick
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I am gonna restate this statement and you tell me if my interpretation of your statement is accurate:
You believe that Jews who rejected Jesus are saved. You believe there is salvation outside of Jesus Christ. You are a universalist who says there are many ways to God and eventually, people of all faiths will be saved and end up in heaven, no doubt, if they do good works and earn their way in.
Is the above correctly stating what you believe?
Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]Bob,
Would you please respond to this post?
Thank You,
Joseph Botwinick
Jesus promised...
Matt. 28.20b "...And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Joseph Smith and Martin Luther, certainly, did not believe this promise. But most Anglicans, Roman Catholics, and Orthodox do. Beyond the authority of Scripture, is the belief that the Church is the only and final interpreter, not only of Scripture, but of all doctrines/teachings. She has been described as...
1Tim. 3.15 "... the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth."
Without the Church (which we call Holy Tradition)the Scriptures are left to individual interpretation, which is the reason there is division in 'Christendom'.
BobRyan
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I am very late responding to this - as I just found this post to me. Sorry for the delay. (feel free to PM me if I lose this again).
Heb 11 is not "a list of the lost" - surely we can agree there. And having these OT saints be saved - people of faith, just as the Bible states - does not require that all OT people (or NT people) go to heaven.
The fact that there were saints and sinners in the OT just as in the NT - does not mean all go to heaven.
The problem is that you are trying to make the dividing line - having a NT understanding of the death of the Messiah. When you create that kind of line as the dividing line between lost and saved - you delete Heb 11.
In Christ,
Bob
No, but clearly, when one surveys all the churches, it is clear that someone is in error, and some, more than others. And some errors could lead to very serious eternal consequences. OSAS IS a dangerous doctrine, IMHO, and leads many to a rather lukewarm faith, and gives a false sense of security. 'Memorialism' and 'Sola Scriptura' and 'Congregationalism', while I disagree with these, don't, by themselves, cause people to lose their salvation. That said, I do believe that Sola Scriptura is one of the chief causes of our divisions. The Anglican triad of Scripture, Tradition and Reason would well-serve the Protestant world. </font>[/QUOTE]Why would you disagree with Sola Scriptura?
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Jude,
And I've heard multitudes of testimonies just like mine. People who stuggled constantly in trying to do *enough* to stay in Gods graces...and never really experiencing true joy...suddenly found the fruit of the Spirit just naturally flowing after they undertood that there salvation is not dependant on anything...good or bad...that they do, but rather on the fact that they have embraced Christ though faith alone.
Its a beautiful truth that I wish all christians would grasp. Those on the endless treadmill of performance miss so much.
God bless,
Mike
Nothing has had more of a positive impact on my christian walk then when I came to understand the complete, 100% security that is ours in Christ, completly unaffected by our bahvior, good or bad. When I came to understand that truth, the increase of the fruit of the Spirit was very noticable, as was the decrease of the fruit of *the flesh*.
And I've heard multitudes of testimonies just like mine. People who stuggled constantly in trying to do *enough* to stay in Gods graces...and never really experiencing true joy...suddenly found the fruit of the Spirit just naturally flowing after they undertood that there salvation is not dependant on anything...good or bad...that they do, but rather on the fact that they have embraced Christ though faith alone.
Its a beautiful truth that I wish all christians would grasp. Those on the endless treadmill of performance miss so much.
God bless,
Mike