Anti- drum beat/syncopation

Today? Nursery rhymes....really! The kids' CD has one I really like, and I'm learning it. Very sweet.

love,

Sopranette

 

Questions:
Are the words written to create feelings of lust?
Or does the music alone create this? If so, how?

 

Certainly it can be done using only words. But I believe there are also rhythyms that can accomplish this just as easily, no words needed.

love,

Sopranette

 

I'm saying Eph. 4:26 cannot be used to justify the wrath of man (James 1:20).

If the emotion is inordinate, then it is a sin simply to feel it, let alone show it.

 

The idea that music can produce lust is crazy. I have listened to music all my life, and not once did it ever invoke such feelings.

 

No high school house party is complete without good "make out" music. Just because it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And it has no place in church.

love,

Sopranette

 

Define lustful music that is used in the church. I've heard all styles and all styles can and do have lustful elements. It depends on the context, the intent of it's use, the lyrics, etc. A particular style of music in the church cannot be blamed for invoking lust. If I'm not careful a beautiful woman, wearing very a conservative dress, can invoke lust in my mind. And, I assure you, music, whether classical hymns or cutting edge praise, has nothing to do with invoking it.

 

I agree...music with sexually charged lyrics have no place in church.

Oh, wait...you meant the drums....I forgot.

So....if the rhythmic component is more than 32.5% of the music's makeup...and if the tempo is between 60-78 OR over 128....and there is a sixteenth-note pickup on beat 3 (assuming, of course, that all good makeout music is 4/4)...and if the EQ is adjusted more than +5dB in the 100hZ frequency....et cetera....


You see how muddy the waters get. In the ticklish realm of personal taste, what you think is wholesome, I won't....or vice-versa. I'll continue to submit to God, and in that submission, to try and serve others, live peacably, and worship God in spirit and in truth. All that being said, many of us just won't ever agree on this issue....and much of that is due to what I wrote in the preceding paragaraph.

 

Drums and drumers are not eeevil.

love,

Sopranette

 

If a person is having lustful thoughts in church, it is not the music's fault... it is in their heart.

A person that want's to blame the music on their sinfulness is a person that doesn't want to take responsibility for their own actions.

This is like saying the girl that got raped was asking for it because she had shorts on...

If a person is lusting in church, they are lusting because they are an adulterer... it has nothing to do with what is going on....

Call sin for what it is, and don't try to justify it.

Lust is adultery, which is sin.
Music in church is praising the Lord.

If music makes you lust, you have a real problem that needs the Lord's intervention to fix.

My bet is, is that if a person is lusting after someone else in church, even if angels were singing Amazing Grace, they would still find a way to lust.

 

BTW...THIS article does an excellent job of treating the issues brought up earlier in this thread.

Sorry, I had been away for the majority of the last couple of weeks and missed this thread.

 

Gotta meet me a drumer. That's not anything like a tumor, is it?


:laugh: :laugh:

 

I never claimed to be the brightest bulb on the tree, rbell

love,

Sopranette

 

No one needs a sound engineering or music theory degree to discern these things. They simply need to understand it's appeal. It's relatively easy to understand when viewed from the light of the Scriptures. Music is intended to be experienced as a whole. It's only ticklish when non-musicologists and non-engineers try to break it down to its component parts, and arrive at some standard thereby. What is the appeal of the whole? That's what people are driven by when they buy it.

A while back, someone posted an article by Kevin Twit who for the most part rightly described the appeal of rock music, yet attempted to ascribe them a legitimate place in the life of a Christian. My response, as well as a link to his article, can be found here: http://aaron.thriftyplanet.net/IR1.htm

It will answer some of basic premises on Eric's page as well.

 

Aaron, that is a great article on that web page of yours. I'm keeping it for future reference.

 

Thank you!:thumbs:

 

Aaron,

You said...

And I'm still waiting for you or someone else to show me...from the scriptures...what beats, rythmns and musical forms the scriptures clearly identify as evil, and which the scriptures clearly identify as good.

I think it was a previous time from a previous thread on this topic that I asked, and...tick...tock...tick...tock...tick tock...I'm still waiting patiently for you to provide those scriptures for me.

Mike

 

And I'm still waiting for you or someone else to show me...from the scriptures...what beats, rythmns and musical forms the scriptures clearly identify as evil, and which the scriptures clearly identify as good.

I think it was a previous time from a previous thread on this topic that I asked, and...tick...tock...tick...tock...tick tock...I'm still waiting patiently for you to provide those scriptures for me.

Mike[/QUOTE]

Join the club. They haven't come up with any because there aren't any. I'm surprised we haven't heard the "Satan used to be heaven's choir master" argument. He may have been but that still doesn't provide a scriptural basis for the argument. However, Satan being the choir master, a living musical instrument (if you buy into that interpretation), gives insight into the divisive nature that music is creating in many churches today. For some, a drum set, is a fellowship breaker as if the Bible says, "Thou shalt not have a drum set in thy worship center. It is an abomination unto the Lord." Satan uses his music specialty to create division and divisiveness in the church. It's sad. In my ministry as a pastor I've had folks tell me they will leave if we ever play contemporary music or put the words on the wall. On the other hand, I've had some threaten to leave if we didn't move to contemporary music. Now that sounds like Satan to me. Satan isn't in the drum. But, he is in the divisive atmosphere that music can create in a church. Let's focus on the music rather than fulfilling the Great Commission. Now that's a plan straight from the pits of hell to me. And that I can back up with scripture.