Antinomian Beliefs

[salzer mtn]

A antinomian is a person that believes that the law of God is not binding on a christain for salvation or as a rule of life. They also believe that a christian is justified in eternity past and not by putting ones faith in the Lord Jesus. They also believe that salvation, justification, and sanctification have already been accomplished in them by Christ in eternity past. Their idea of salvation is when you come to realize, you have always been saved but God is just now revealing it to you. The ones i know absolutly don't believe a person can be saved unless the message of your salvation was preached by one of their preachers. The preacher i know of say's he will not let his concience smite him as he is not under the law but under grace. I heard one preach on the Phillipian jailer and when he got to the scripture, what must i do to be saved that was ask by the jailer, the preachers reply was, nothing, instead of believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Are these beliefs to be avoided at all cost or are there members here that believe like this ?

 

[Amy.G]

My question to people who believe such things is have you ever opened a Bible and actually read it?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

My question to people who believe such things is have you ever opened a Bible and actually read it?

That is a good question....what responses do you get?

 

[nodak]

We need to be careful here.

Good works DON'T factor into being saved. If we could work our way to heaven, Jesus died in vain. I'm not RCC and don't believe He died to make it possible for our works to get us into heaven.

So in one sense, yeah, antinomian all the way that works do not produce salvation.

But in another sense, believing in the sure work of the Holy Spirit in those whom God regenerates, I trust that works will surely come.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

A antinomian is a person that believes that the law of God is not binding on a christain for salvation or as a rule of life. They also believe that a christian is justified in eternity past and not by putting ones faith in the Lord Jesus. They also believe that salvation, justification, and sanctification have already been accomplished in them by Christ in eternity past. Their idea of salvation is when you come to realize, you have always been saved but God is just now revealing it to you. The ones i know absolutly don't believe a person can be saved unless the message of your salvation was preached by one of their preachers. The preacher i know of say's he will not let his concience smite him as he is not under the law but under grace. I heard one preach on the Phillipian jailer and when he got to the scripture, what must i do to be saved that was ask by the jailer, the preachers reply was, nothing, instead of believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Are these beliefs to be avoided at all cost or are there members here that believe like this ?

Just whom are you referring to?

 

[pinoybaptist]

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Just whom are you referring to?

given the disinformation and misinformation I see and have heard about of on this board about PB's, I'd venture to say PB's, though I hope to be wrong.

 

[Yeshua1]

We need to be careful here.

Good works DON'T factor into being saved. If we could work our way to heaven, Jesus died in vain. I'm not RCC and don't believe He died to make it possible for our works to get us into heaven.

So in one sense, yeah, antinomian all the way that works do not produce salvation.

But in another sense, believing in the sure work of the Holy Spirit in those whom God regenerates, I trust that works will surely come.

The problem in this is that when I state that the law is not "binding' upon me in order to save me, but that I do follow the preceipts of the Bible, that labels one in some circles as being one of those!

Point for me is that we have been saved totally and freely thru/by grace of God in order to do good works, NOT that good works are part of the salvation itself!

 

[salzer mtn]

A antinomian is a person that believes that the law of God is not binding on a christain for salvation or as a rule of life. They also believe that a christian is justified in eternity past and not by putting ones faith in the Lord Jesus. They also believe that salvation, justification, and sanctification have already been accomplished in them by Christ in eternity past. Their idea of salvation is when you come to realize, you have always been saved but God is just now revealing it to you. The ones i know absolutly don't believe a person can be saved unless the message of your salvation was preached by one of their preachers. The preacher i know of say's he will not let his concience smite him as he is not under the law but under grace. I heard one preach on the Phillipian jailer and when he got to the scripture, what must i do to be saved that was ask by the jailer, the preachers reply was, nothing, instead of believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Are these beliefs to be avoided at all cost or are there members here that believe like this ?

The church i am referring to is about twenty five miles from me and it is not a pb. It is a sovereign grace church. They went by baptist for a long period of time and finally dropped that part. They don't have deacon's and whatever the pastor say's goes. As i have already stated they believe the gospel of Gods sovereign grace must be preached to a individual before he can know the Lord. They never use words like saved but referr to the saved as believers or in Christ or sinners in Christ. I ask the pastor one time what he thought of Spurgeon and his answer was, Spurgeon was weak in a lot of beliefs. He said that one would have to watch what he read of Arthur W. Pink because Pink could get some what legal. There are several of these churches scattered about over several states, some have the baptist name and some don't. They very rarely referr to the Holy Spirit in any of their messages. Very little if any practical preaching is preached. Are these rank Antinomian beliefs or not ?

 

[salzer mtn]

Here Is A List I Found of What Antinomians Believe

1. The law is made void by grace. Justification by faith alone renders good works unnecessary.
2. Since good works are unnecessary, obedience to the law is not required of justified persons.
3. God sees no sin in the justified, who are no longer bound by the law, and is not displeased with them if they sin.
4. God therefore does not chastise justified persons for sin.
5. Nor can sin in any way injure the justified.
6. Since no duties or obligations are admitted in the gospel, faith and repentance are not commanded.
7. The Christian need not repent in order to receive pardon of sin.
8. Nor need he mortify sin; Christ has mortified sin for him.
9. Nor ought he be distressed in conscience upon backsliding, but he should hold fast to a full assurance of his salvation in the midst of the vilest sins.
10. Justifying faith is the assurance that one is already justified.
11. The elect are actually justified before they believe, even from all eternity.
12. Therefore, they were never children of wrath or under condemnation.
13. Their sin, as to its very being, was imputed to Christ so as not to be theirs, and His holiness is imputed to them as their only sanctification.
14. Sanctification is no evidence of justification, for assurance is the fruit of an immediate revelation that one is an elect person.
15. No conviction by the law precedes the sinner’s closing with Christ, inasmuch as Christ is freely offered to sinners as sinners.
16. Repentance is produced not by the law, but by the gospel only.
17. The secret counsel of God is the rule of man’s conduct.
18. God is the author and approver of sin, for sin is the accomplishment of His will.
19. Unless the Spirit works holiness in the soul, there is no obligation to be holy or to strive toward that end.
20. All externals are useless or indifferent, since the Spirit alone gives life.

 

[Yeshua1]

1. The law is made void by grace. Justification by faith alone renders good works unnecessary.
2. Since good works are unnecessary, obedience to the law is not required of justified persons.
3. God sees no sin in the justified, who are no longer bound by the law, and is not displeased with them if they sin.
4. God therefore does not chastise justified persons for sin.
5. Nor can sin in any way injure the justified.
6. Since no duties or obligations are admitted in the gospel, faith and repentance are not commanded.
7. The Christian need not repent in order to receive pardon of sin.
8. Nor need he mortify sin; Christ has mortified sin for him.
9. Nor ought he be distressed in conscience upon backsliding, but he should hold fast to a full assurance of his salvation in the midst of the vilest sins.
10. Justifying faith is the assurance that one is already justified.
11. The elect are actually justified before they believe, even from all eternity.
12. Therefore, they were never children of wrath or under condemnation.
13. Their sin, as to its very being, was imputed to Christ so as not to be theirs, and His holiness is imputed to them as their only sanctification.
14. Sanctification is no evidence of justification, for assurance is the fruit of an immediate revelation that one is an elect person.
15. No conviction by the law precedes the sinner’s closing with Christ, inasmuch as Christ is freely offered to sinners as sinners.
16. Repentance is produced not by the law, but by the gospel only.
17. The secret counsel of God is the rule of man’s conduct.
18. God is the author and approver of sin, for sin is the accomplishment of His will.
19. Unless the Spirit works holiness in the soul, there is no obligation to be holy or to strive toward that end.
20. All externals are useless or indifferent, since the Spirit alone gives life.

Seems that view is quite defective, as those who have been really saved will be evidencing that truth thru good works and how their lives have been changed!

 

[convicted1]

A antinomian is a person that believes that the law of God is not binding on a christain for salvation or as a rule of life. They also believe that a christian is justified in eternity past and not by putting ones faith in the Lord Jesus. They also believe that salvation, justification, and sanctification have already been accomplished in them by Christ in eternity past. Their idea of salvation is when you come to realize, you have always been saved but God is just now revealing it to you. The ones i know absolutly don't believe a person can be saved unless the message of your salvation was preached by one of their preachers. The preacher i know of say's he will not let his concience smite him as he is not under the law but under grace. I heard one preach on the Phillipian jailer and when he got to the scripture, what must i do to be saved that was ask by the jailer, the preachers reply was, nothing, instead of believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Are these beliefs to be avoided at all cost or are there members here that believe like this ?

There was someone, who is now banned, who stated that God's elect were NEVER under condemnation at any point in time, because Christ bore that for them. He misapplied Romans 8:1 to support this, btw.

 

[Yeshua1]

There was someone, who is now banned, who stated that God's elect were NEVER under condemnation at any point in time, because Christ bore that for them. He misapplied Romans 8:1 to support this, btw.

Which was odd, for the Bible states that ALL stand comdemned by God!

 

[salzer mtn]

There was someone, who is now banned, who stated that God's elect were NEVER under condemnation at any point in time, because Christ bore that for them. He misapplied Romans 8:1 to support this, btw.

I ask this preacher about Eph 2:3 where the bible say's we all were the children of wrath even as others, and his answer was the elect were never legally under Gods wrath but Gods deals with the elect in the same manner as the non elect before they come to the knowlege of the truth. He also don't believe God chastens his children because that would mean that you are being punished for your sin's that Christ has already been punished for.

 

[Yeshua1]

I ask this preacher about Eph 2:3 where the bible say's we all were the children of wrath even as others, and his answer was the elect were never legally under Gods wrath but Gods deals with the elect in the same manner as the non elect before they come to the knowlege of the truth. He also don't believe God chastens his children because that would mean that you are being punished for your sin's that Christ has already been punished for.

So he undertood hebrews as saying about chaistasment?

 

[salzer mtn]

Here is his webpage and audio sermon's, listen to some of them and tell me what you think? http://www.sermonaudio.com/source_detail.asp?sourceid=dleeb

 

[HankD]

We are not under the law (of which there are 613) but we are led of the Spirit.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Personally, the Spirit of God has never led me to sin but to seek the things of God and not the flesh. In fact the Spirit has revealed in His word that He desires that we crucify/mortify the flesh and its evil desires.

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.​

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:​

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.​

When I wander off this path that He has for me then I grieve Him and quench the influence He has over me.​

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.​

Thessalonians 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.​

Unless, I think it through and turn, then sooner or later we will go to the woodshed.

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.​

HankD

 

[Yeshua1]

We are not under the law (of which there are 613) but we are led of the Spirit.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Personally, the Spirit of God has never led me to sin but to seek the things of God and not the flesh. In fact the Spirit has revealed in His word that He desires that we crucify/mortify the flesh and its evil desires.

Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.​

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:​

Romans 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.​

When I wander off this path that He has for me then I grieve Him and quench the influence He has over me.​

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.​

Thessalonians 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.​

Unless, I think it through and turn, then sooner or later we will go to the woodshed.

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.​

HankD

To the Apostle paul, that was THE sign of the Christian, that we have the HS in us as the people of God under the New Covenant!

His point to us was that we need to live by Him enabling us to live as we should, not to get back under bondage of trying to keep the law by deeds of the flesh!

 

[HankD]

To the Apostle paul, that was THE sign of the Christian, that we have the HS in us as the people of God under the New Covenant!

His point to us was that we need to live by Him enabling us to live as we should, not to get back under bondage of trying to keep the law by deeds of the flesh!

True, and the law can't be kept anyway by virtue of the fact that the temple in Jerusalem is non-existing.

Biblical Judaism ended circa AD70 when the Temple was destroyed and the light of biblical Judaism went out.

That is why Talmudic Judaism is practiced today.

But to break one commandment of the 613 is to virtually break them all.

Deuteronomy 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.​

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.​

HankD​

 

[Yeshua1]

True, and the law can't be kept anyway by virtue of the fact that the temple in Jerusalem is non-existing.

Biblical Judaism ended circa AD70 when the Temple was destroyed and the light of biblical Judaism went out.

That is why Talmudic Judaism is practiced today.

But to break one commandment of the 613 is to virtually break them all.

Deuteronomy 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.​

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.​

HankD​

Some need to heed peter, as he wnated to know why we tried to place Yoke of the law upon gentiles, when not even Jews can bear up under its bondage!

 

[salzer mtn]

It is true we are not under the bondage of the Mosanic law but i believe we are under the law of Christ or the law of love as a rule of life, Gal 6:1-2 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one anothers burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. St. John 13:34 A new commandment i give unto you, that ye love one another; as i have loved you that ye also love one another.