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Discussion in 'Baptist History' started by Alan Gross, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. Yeshua1

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  2. Alan Gross

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    The Harlot Daughters didn't fall far from their Mother Whore.
     
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    Are you claiming to have the Holy Spirit showing this to you?
     
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    ...
    "Do you not know,
    that so many of us
    as were Baptized into

    (with reference to)
    Jesus Christ

    were Baptized into
    (with reference to)

    His Death?"
    ...
    "Our fathers . . were all baptized into
    (with reference to)

    Moses in the cloud
    and in the sea."
    (I Corinthians 10:1, 2.)
    ...
    Use of Scriptural terms,
    such as “Baptism”,
    in an Un-Scriptural sense
    is a favorite trick of modernists.

    This Satan Inspired Delusion
    has also been adopted
    by some so-called

    inter-denominationalists
    who pride themselves
    on their supposed orthodoxy

    or fundamentalism.
    The carnal reasoning of men

    effected by the curse of the fall
    of Adam are

    susceptible to Satanic Delusions.
    Satanic Delusion Inspired Nostalgia
    for the Innocence of Childhood,
    to a time prior to the realization
    of any hard facts of reality
    is a ripe environment
    for Godless Fantasies
    where men “think”
    APART FROM GOD.

    ...
    So it has become fashionable
    in certain circles to speak of a
    "spiritual baptism"

    of which the Bible tells us

    exactly nothing.
    Satan has never introduced
    among God's people
    a heresy so ridiculous
    but that he has been able to find men

    willing to prostitute
    some degree of scholarship in its defense.

    So it has been
    with the practice of “baby baptism”,
    “pouring”
    , and “sprinkling”

    as substitutes for Believer's Baptism.

    There have been a few scholars
    of limited ability or honesty, or both,
    who have tried to justify these
    Un-Scriptural practices
    by perverted “interpretations” of Scripture.
    Selling the LIES of “baby baptism”,

    “pouring”, and “sprinkling”

    as substitutes for Believer's Baptism
    has been A Lost Battle.
    ...
    Among competent scholars
    the Scriptural meaning of "Baptize"
    and "Baptism"
    is no longer a matter of debate.

    Everyone knows that
    the ordinary literal meaning of Baptize
    in the New Testament is to dip,
    plunge, or immerse in water
    and
    whatever figurative meaning
    the word may occasionally have
    must be derived from
    and based upon this literal sense.

    Martin Luther, John Calvin,
    and John Wesley,
    whatever their Doctrinal errors,
    were at least,
    unlike some of their followers,
    scholarly enough to admit
    that Scriptural Baptism was Immersion,

    and that “sprinkling”,
    as an Un-Scriptural substitute in its place

    was an innovation
    by the enemies of God,
    in order to “bare false witness”,
    rather than to be obedience.
    ...
    Their ARE Bible usages
    of Figurative Language,
    which employ the Picture
    depicted by Scriptural Baptisms.
    ...
    First, with regard to the Bible usages
    of Figurative Language,
    which employ
    the Picture depicted by a specific Truth,
    such as Baptism,
    to symbolically express another Reality,
    there is an elementary principle
    of honest translation and interpretation
    that states that the literal,
    or ordinary, meaning of a word
    is always to be preferred
    if it makes good sense in the context

    and is obviously denoting the item stated.
    Secondly, as an elementary principle
    of honest translation and interpretation
    is that figurative or unusual meanings
    of a word, or group of words,
    are to be adopted only
    when demanded by context and is obvious

    that there is a connotation of the wording
    that is to be understood, as implied.
    Undoubtedly in Matt. 20:22, Mk. 10:38,

    and Lu. 12:50
    Jesus was Speaking
    of a Figurative Baptism
    which is demanded by context
    and is obvious that there is

    a connotation of the wording
    that is to be understood,
    and in this case implies
    Jesus' Immersion
    in the Sufferings of the Cross.

    Jesus' Usage of Figurative Language,
    Employed the Scriptural Picture
    depicted by the specific Truth,
    that Baptism means “to dip”,
    “plunge”, or “immerse”,
    to symbolically express another Reality,
    which was Jesus' Immersion
    in the Sufferings of the Cross.

    So the baptism in fire
    mentioned in Matt. 3:11 and Lu. 3:16
    is evidently not a dipping in water,
    but Figurative Language,
    Employing the Scriptural Picture
    again depicted by the specific Truth,
    that Baptism means “to dip”,
    “plunge”, or “immerse”,
    to symbolically express another Reality,
    of

    Jesus Burning the dross,
    briers, wood, hay and stubble,

    which depicts lost Souls,
    WITH FIRE.
    ...
    JESUS is in the next verse,
    “Who's Fan is In His Hand
    and
    He Will Thoroughly Purge His Floor
    and
    Gather His Wheat into The Garner;
    but
    He Will Burn Up the chaff
    with Unquenchable Fire."

    Jesus Baptizing with Fire
    is a reference
    to the lost in the Lake of Fire
    (Rev. 20:15),
    in which case the Baptism

    is quite literal,
    except that it is
    Jesus Baptizing with Fire,

    instead of water.
    ...
    “He Will Burn Up the chaff

    with Unquenchable Fire.”
     
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    Water Baptism mode has NOTHING to do with one being saved though, as many got wet and stayed lost!
     
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    It's the Word of God and the object of one's faith that makes one's baptism real. Anyone know of any group anywhere who came up with baptism as a rite of initiation all on their own? So any Christian performing baptism is doing so as a direct result of the preaching of the gospel regardless of the channel the gospel was delivered.

    Any group who comes together under the gospel is a true church.
     
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    So you would see, as I do, reformed churches as being legit?
     
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    That would be a yes.
     
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    I would disagree with them on Infant Baptism and how to govern as church, but they still have the same Gospel of Christ as we Baptists do!
     
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