Any Doctrine Can Be Abused

[Moriah]

The ability to believe is given by God to those whom He has given Christ and that is exactly how Christ explains why some of his own disciples never believed in him in John 6:64-65.

Those scriptures are about God hardening Jews. Only the Jews who were the lost sheep could come to Jesus, they were drawn to Jesus because they recognized what Jesus was saying as the word of God, see John 6:45. These were God’s people before Jesus came to earth, now they had to go through Jesus. They were God’s and He gave them to Jesus. The rest of the Jews were cut off, but they can be grafted back in if they do not persist in unbelief.

When God gives a "new" heart it is a believing heart (Ezek. 36:26) which produces a willingness (Ezek. 36:27) as that is the meaning of "cause you" in Ezekiel 26:27 and that is the meaning of "both to will and to do" in Philip. 2:13.

Read Ezekiel 18:30-32…I do not read that God will make them believe in Him. I read that they are to rid themselves of sins and get a new heart and a new spirit.
Ezekiel 18:30-32 “Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!

Jesus never came to call the righteous (Mt. 9:13) but sinners. Salvation is never offered to the righteous but to sinners. God calls the thirsty, the hungry, the burdened and these alone are the "whosoever wills" not the "whosoever will not."

All are sinners. If one does not believe they are a sinner, and thus repent, then they will not be saved, for Jesus says repent or perish.

The internal inclination (the heart) is what must be saved by God as there is none that "seeketh after God, no, not one."

The word came to me the word comes to people. As for the scripture you are quoting, what is King David saying where Paul quotes? At that time, it is a sad state of affairs inside Israel. When the day arrived, no one searched for God. Later, they repented, and searched for God. During slavery in Egypt, the Jewish people asked God, if he had forgotten them. How could they do so, if THEY were not wondering where He had disappeared? In the New Testament, when Jesus arrived, people shouted: “Son of David, have mercy on me”. They were looking for the Messiah. In the New Testament a blind man was searching for the Son of God, the prophet’s had said would come. People searched for God. You are quoting Paul who was quoting scripture that tells us that even the chosen people of God were sinners, even like the Gentiles.

God is perfectly righteous and just to allow all who by their very nature "ALWAYS" (Acts 7:51) resist, reject, deny him to go right on their way to hell

That scripture is about those who resist, obviously not all resist.

while having mercy, grace, upon those like Saul of Tarsus who are also seeking to shut the mouths of Christians and persecute Christ and given them a new heart right on the road toward doing their evils n spite of themselves.

Paul said he was unnaturally born.

That you do not understand and apart from God's grace you will never understand it. Salvation is by grace, undeserved, unmerited favor in spite of their hatred, resistance, rejection, and enmity toward God (Rom. 8:7). He simply speaks through the gospel and effectually reveals Himself in a saving way (2 Cor. 4:6) by the power of His own will (James 1:18) and to God be the glory because he has not "chosen" many mighty, nobel, or great men but the outcasts and scum of humanity that he might be glorified in redemption and so it is "OF GOD" that we are "in Christ Jesus" (1 Cor. 1:26-31).

You do not understand the scriptures. You do not understand why the “outcasts” and “scum” were saved before the others. There is the issue of humbleness…it is harder for a rich person to humble themselves, as is the educated in this world.

 

[Yeshua1]

What I say has impact against hyper-Calvinism and all regular Calvinism. Whosoever will is just that whosoever, not whosoever of the saved.

The calvinism that you continue to rail against is actually Hyper calvinism, not that held by most who hold to calvinism!

No, what you say does not change anything about the argument.

I understand it. Maybe you are denying I understand it because it is some weird defense tactic. In addition, you might not even fully understand Calvinism.

Again, what you say does not change anything.

God gives a new heart to believers. God gives a new heart to those who want one.

the ONLY ones though will want to have a "new heart" would be the ones granted that by God! natural men do not seek to come to Christ, as prefer to stay in their own darkness!

LOL…Go read my post again. Did you even read it? You missed this: “Whoever” is whoever. This is plain and simple. Calvinists use special exegesis to twist the scriptures. Whomever in the world believes turns into whomever in the world of believers who believe.

Those who will believe in jesus will be those who have been elected out beforehand by God, those whose faith confirm that they were chosen to be found in christ!

The sinner in and by himself will reject the Cross of christ, as saved by grace of God ONLY does not make sense to them, as they see the need to "earn/work" their way back to God!

 

[Moriah]

The sinner in and by himself will reject the Cross of christ, as saved by grace of God ONLY does not make sense to them, as they see the need to "earn/work" their way back to God!

The work we are not to do any longer just to worship God and belong to Him is circumcision, various ceremonial washings, observance of special days, gift offerings, and sacrifices for sins.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say we do not have to abstain from doing sinful acts. That is false doctrine at work to say that we cannot feel bad for doing wrong. We are to believe and repent. That is what Jesus says to do. We have to have that in our hearts, for God who knows our hearts gives us the Holy Spirit when He accepts us. Teach others the Way to God, that if they do these things they can be saved.

Think about it…if there is NOTHING in our hearts that can ever do right, not even after hearing the powerful message that saves---then what is God bothering to look in our hearts!

Get out of false doctrines. The Truth will keep you close to God.

 

[DHK]

The work we are not to do any longer just to worship God and belong to Him is circumcision, various ceremonial washings, observance of special days, gift offerings, and sacrifices for sins.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say we do not have to abstain from doing sinful acts. That is false doctrine at work to say that we cannot feel bad for doing wrong. We are to believe and repent. That is what Jesus says to do. We have to have that in our hearts, for God who knows our hearts gives us the Holy Spirit when He accepts us. Teach others the Way to God, that if they do these things they can be saved.

Think about it…if there is NOTHING in our hearts that can ever do right, not even after hearing the powerful message that saves---then what is God bothering to look in our hearts!

Get out of false doctrines. The Truth will keep you close to God.

You believe good works saves you then??
You don't believe we are saved by faith, but rather by works?
That is a heretical position, BTW.

 

[Moriah]

You believe good works saves you then??
You don't believe we are saved by faith, but rather by works?
That is a heretical position, BTW.

It is heretical to teach that believing and obeying is heretical.

 

[Moriah]

It is not a work to believe, and it is not a work to confess. It is not a work to be sorry for things done that were wrong. God says repent.

 

[Yeshua1]

The work we are not to do any longer just to worship God and belong to Him is circumcision, various ceremonial washings, observance of special days, gift offerings, and sacrifices for sins.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say we do not have to abstain from doing sinful acts. That is false doctrine at work to say that we cannot feel bad for doing wrong. We are to believe and repent. That is what Jesus says to do. We have to have that in our hearts, for God who knows our hearts gives us the Holy Spirit when He accepts us. Teach others the Way to God, that if they do these things they can be saved.

Think about it…if there is NOTHING in our hearts that can ever do right, not even after hearing the powerful message that saves---then what is God bothering to look in our hearts!

Get out of false doctrines. The Truth will keep you close to God.

God already looked into our hearts, read isaiah, jeremiah, and paul!

We are sinners, whos ONLY hope to be saved is by the grace and mercies of God!

 

[DHK]

It is not a work to believe, and it is not a work to confess. It is not a work to be sorry for things done that were wrong. God says repent.

Salvation is by faith alone.
Feeling sorry for your sins is simply that--a feeling. We are not saved by our feelings. If you run your life by your feelings you are in sad shape. What if you don't FEEL like getting up for work in the morning? Or, you FEEL like just staying in bed all day? Do you give into those feelings? Do you allow your feelings to control your life?