Any here "concerned' About the theology of Dave Ramesey?

No he doesn't

 

And my point is that sometimes getting out of debt at the cost of not seeing your children for a year or two of their lives may not be the best way for a man to minister to his family.

 

I understand but if one has gotten into that kind of debt that such is necessary then it is necessary. You have to pay your bills.

 

JF, several here have said opposite of what you continue to say. If after 2 or three others contradict what you believe, then you must re-evaluate your position. If, upon re-evaluation, you still believe you're correct, then you must post the exact points and proofs that support that belief. If you don't do the re-evaluation, if you don't post the points and proofs, then you're simply being stubborn and obstinate.

Ramsey's first goal is to get out of debt. Then, if you read his material, you'll have more to give. It's not about being wealthy; it's about not being a slave to debt.

Do I agree with him in all things? No. But then again, I believe he's more non-denominational than baptist, so we're going to have some disagreements on theology.

 

Is it a better ministry to his family to remain in the debt?

 

At one time most of society lived on farms. My parents had a dairy farm and a typical day was from 3:30 AM to 8:30 PM. My sister and her husband have worked with youth for years and also own a business. I own a business and make disciples. While others complain about how little time they have.

 

You do have to pay your bills, But if a man looks at his situation and sees the following two options:
1. Work 2 jobs, pay his bills, live modestly, and pay down his debt in 5 years.
2. Work 3 jobs, pay down his debt in 1.5-2 years, and only see his family as he is passing through for 5-10 minutes at a time.

...I'm saying that option 1 is not the obvious best choice. Each person needs to make that decision, but I don't think they should be pressured to pay down debt as fast as possible at all cost.

Perhaps, if there is a plan to get out of debt that might take longer, but allow him to remain connected to his children and have at least some time to bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

 

Statistically speaking, if he's only seeing his family 5-10 minutes at a time working 3 jobs, then reducing it to two jobs should only actually give him between 10-30 minutes.

For the sake of argument, let's say 10 minutes for the 3 jobs; 30 minutes for the 2 jobs. At 365 days a year, we'll whimsically say 10 minutes a day, which translates to 3,650 minutes per year, or about 120 hours for 2 years. At 30 minutes, that translates to about 910 hours for 5 years.

Now, after 2 years, the individual can drop to only 1 job; going with our purely guesstimated numbers, that's 3 times as much time as when they were working 3 jobs; twice as much as when working 2 jobs. For the sake of argument, let's say that increases their time to 1.5 hours of contact with their families. During the 3 years that they'd still be working 2 jobs, they get 1,642 hours.

Grand total of the 2 years of 3 jobs + 3 years of 1 job: 1,762 hours
Grand total of the 5 years of 2 jobs: 910 hours.

Which would you prefer? To say that working 2 jobs for 5 years is better than working 3 jobs for 2 years, overlooks the additional time you could be gaining by making the sacrifice now.

Not saying that it's right for everyone; each situation must be dictated by the individual, the individual's situation, and individual priorities.

 

One of Ramsey's quips is apropos here...

"Live like no one else so that you can live like no one else..."

 

I have nothing against him other then I have heard him use sewer language a few times, which I consider to be completly inapropiate for a child of God.

As far as his money advice it all sounds good to me, outside of the fact that I THINK he advocates tithing, which I believe has no part of new covenent giving.

If I am wrong about him advocating tithing someone please correct me.

 

He does advocate tithing. When asked on his show, he states believers are absolutely called to tithe to their local church.

 

LOL..what?!? Sewer language? LOL

Did he say "crap" or "poop" or something? LOL.

 

Not everyone cares about spelling as a point of how authoritative a post may or may not be.

My wife would disagree with me. She considers spelling a mark of good breeding.

The only blue jeans I have are the ones I wear - they are certainly holy but not royal blue. :laugh: