• Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Any Here exposed to the Apostolic reformation movement?

JonShaff

JonShaff

Fellow Servant
Site Supporter
God doesn’t send pastors into remote villages in Chile. He sends, wait for it, Apostles.

And then when a church forms through the Gospel being preached, apostles raise up pastors and then they go off to the next village. Still happens today. It’s happening right now, even without some of y’all’s permission.
 
Y

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
JonShaff said:
God doesn’t send pastors into remote villages in Chile. He sends, wait for it, Apostles.

And then when a church forms through the Gospel being preached, apostles raise up pastors and then they go off to the next village. Still happens today. It’s happening right now, even without some of y’all’s permission.
Click to expand...
Use the biblical term for them, Missionaries!
 
Particular

Particular

Well-Known Member
JonShaff said:
God doesn’t send pastors into remote villages in Chile. He sends, wait for it, Apostles.

And then when a church forms through the Gospel being preached, apostles raise up pastors and then they go off to the next village. Still happens today. It’s happening right now, even without some of y’all’s permission.
Click to expand...
So missionaries like Hudson Taylor and Jonathan Livingstone were Apostles, by your definition. They weren't evangelists or teachers...they were apostles. Is that correct?
 
Particular

Particular

Well-Known Member
timtofly said:
Haven’t you known, haven’t you heard that the everlasting God, Adonai, the Creator of the ends of the earth, does not grow tired or weary?
His understanding cannot be fathomed. He invigorates the exhausted, he gives strength to the powerless.
Young men may grow tired and weary,
even the fittest may stumble and fall;
but those who hope in Adonai will renew their strength, they will soar aloft as with eagles’ wings; when they are running they won’t grow weary, when they are walking they won’t get tired.
Click to expand...
What doctrine about God and about humanity do you derive from this passage in Isaiah 40?
 
Y

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
37818 said:
I am of the point of view that the two speaking gifts which were in part in the Apostle Paul's day (1 Corinthianns 13:9) where done away with the pefection of those two gifts (1 Corinthians 13:8-10; James 1:17) with the giving of the Revelation of Jesus Christ (Revelation 1:1-3) that no prophecies are to be added to the hearing of it (Revelation 22:18). And the foundation of Christ's church is complete (Ephesians 2:20).
Click to expand...
yes, as we already have the sure word of the prophets and the doctrines of the Apostles!
 
Y

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Particular said:
So missionaries like Hudson Taylor and Jonathan Livingstone were Apostles, by your definition. They weren't evangelists or teachers...they were apostles. Is that correct?
Click to expand...
I actually do not mind if we define Missionaries as modern day Apostles, as they are not claiming additional and new divine revelations from God!
 
37818

37818

Well-Known Member
Reynolds said:
You have no scripture to prove or even suggest that.
Click to expand...
Are you aware of the view that all Holy Scripture is the revelation of Jesus Christ (Luke 24:44, Revelation 19:10)? And that that last book, being called the Revelation of Jesus Christ (Revelation 1:1-3) is being understood as the close of all written and spoken revelation (Revelation 22:18, ". . . heareth the words of the prophecy of this book . . . .") It being the close of the Bible.
 
Y

Yeshua1

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
37818 said:
Are you aware of the view that all Holy Scripture is the revelation of Jesus Christ (Luke 24:44, Revelation 19:10)? And that that last book, being called the Revelation of Jesus Christ (Revelation 1:1-3) is being understood as the close of all written and spoken revelation (Revelation 22:18, ". . . heareth the words of the prophecy of this book . . . .") It being the close of the Bible.
Click to expand...
When one adapts an ongoing revelation model, then all sorts of heresies can be allowed into church, see Sda, word of faith, Charismatic chaos etc!
 
timtofly

timtofly

Well-Known Member
Yeshua1 said:
God ceased to speak to us any additional revelations once canon was closed with death of Apostle John!
Click to expand...
The canon was closed before John died. Else it is still open, because some understand Jesus as saying that John would not die, until a future time. No one has proof of John's death. There are some occasions where they could NOT kill him. He outlived most just like Moses did. No one ever recorded a true account of John's history, that most are aware of.
 
timtofly

timtofly

Well-Known Member
Particular said:
What doctrine about God and about humanity do you derive from this passage in Isaiah 40?
Click to expand...
None, I keep telling you that. What is the point in attempting any such thing?

No one sees the truth of Scripture. Not even those who declare it from God. They declare what the truth will be and is; as it can bypass Satan's deception. Satan's deception does not void any Scriptural truth. It does not change the meaning of Truth. Private interpretation of Scripture does that job just fine and dandy, and Satan does not need to decieve. He was just allowed to decieve all of humanity, and it seems all of the elect. Or else they are just not given the liberty to reveal this deception. It will be revealed soon enough. John the Baptist started his ministry a few years before Jesus was baptized. There is not years left, only months, those months still need to cover 7 trumpets and 7 Thunderings.

For the church only two more seals if even that now. I am not a prophet, I do not know when things are going to happen. That may be the job of those, whom this thread is about. I am just a witness to the truth of Revelation. Any doctrine is in the words for all to see and understand. Anything else I add just comes across as crazy talk, because it buts heads with Satan's deception. Those decieved can only change through listening to the Holy Spirit, not me.
 
Particular

Particular

Well-Known Member
JonShaff said:
Correct
Click to expand...
Thanks for clarifying.

From: What Is An Apostle? Bible Definition and Meaning

Apostle [N] [E]

(Gk. apostolos [ajpovstolo"]). Envoy, ambassador, or messenger commissioned to carry out the instructions of the commissioning aget.

...Paul uses the word "apostle" in more than one sense. At times he employs the term in the broader sense of messenger or aget ( 2 Col 8:23 ; Php 2:25 ). More often, however, Paul uses the term to refer to those who had been commissioned by the risen Lord to the apostolic task. Included in this category are the Twelve (although he never explicitly applies the title of apostle to them as a group), Peter ( Gal 1:18 ), Paul himself ( Rom 1:1 ; 1 Col 1:1 ; 9:1-2 ; 15:8-10 ; Gal 2:7-8 ), James the brother of Jesus ( Gal 1:19 ; cf. Acts 15:13 ), Barnabas ( 1 Col 9:1-6 ; Gal 2:9 ; cf. Acts 14:4 Acts 14:14 ), and possibly others ( Ro 16:7 ). In addition to understanding apostleship in terms of its basis in a divine call, Paul views the life of an apostle as being one of self-sacrificial service that entails suffering ( 1 Col 4:9-13 ; 15:30-32 ; 2 Col 4:7-12 ; 11:23-29 ).
Click to expand...


Do you believe Hudson Taylor and Jonathan Livingstone were directly commissioned by the risen Lord to the task of Apostleship? If so, can you provide documentation?
 
timtofly

timtofly

Well-Known Member
Reynolds said:
That is not saying its its last time God spoke to us.
Click to expand...
John 21:25

"But there are also many other things Yeshua did; and if they were all to be recorded, I don’t think the whole world could contain the books that would have to be written!"
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top