Any non-maskers, vax decliners ever been threatened with physical violence?

[Salty]

I have never complained about my wifes cooking!

 

[AVL1984]

Please, folks, back on the subject, or I'm asking the moderators to close the thread. If you want to hijack a thread, please start your own. I'm asking nicely this time. Salty, you being a moderator should know better anyhow!

 

[Salty]

Opps - 10 lashes with a wet noodle -

Okay, back to the OP
"People are getting crazy with fear over this virus. Living in fear isn't something I do. I never have, and I never will. How would YOU have reacted, especially if your spouse had been threatened?"

For the full post - go back to post # 1

 

[FollowTheWay]

There is no clear-cut PROOF that the vaccine works, especially when the CDC and Fauci end up contradicting each other or many of the points that have been disputed by others. The efficacy of the vaccines is questionable, and the wearing of masks in spite of the vaccine in some locales is even more cause for people to question the science behind the masks and the vaccines.In the case of the polio epidemic, that was something totally different. It also has NOTHING to do with this conversation.

If you don't trust the CDC, the NIH, Mayo Clinic, the Cleveland Clinic, John's Hopkins, etc. who do you trust for medical recommendations? All of them say these vaccines are safe and effective. They also have recommended the use of masks.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I would have made sure my children were vaccinated so I didn’t have meddle in another person’s personal medical information, which is none of my business.

peace to you

To successfully fight against a pandemic requires a clear plan with everyone working together. But you don't care about the well being of others do you?

 

[canadyjd]

I lost my sense of smell and taste!!!! I got better.

(Allergies)

My sense of smell is fine, but my wife insists I have no taste... especially in my choice of cloths.

I hear, “You’re wearing that?” at least twice a month.

edit to add an apology for getting off topic:

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

To successfully fight against a pandemic requires a clear plan with everyone working together. But you don't care about the well being of others do you?

Such is the language of totalitarian communists. Do what I say, no disagreements, if you don’t do what I say then you want people to die, therefore you are a threat to civilization that must be eliminated.

Hide in your home if you are that afraid of a virus that has a 99.99% survival rate (overall) and 95% survival rate for the elderly with preexisting conditions.

To survive this pandemic we only need to go about our lives normally and reach herd immunity (almost there anyway) just like every other cold virus.

peace to you

 

[FollowTheWay]

Such is the language of totalitarian communists. Do what I say, no disagreements, if you don’t do what I say then you want people to die, therefore you are a threat to civilization that must be eliminated.

Hide in your home if you are that afraid of a virus that has a 99.99% survival rate (overall) and 95% survival rate for the elderly with preexisting conditions.

To survive this pandemic we only need to go about our lives normally and reach herd immunity (almost there anyway) just like every other cold virus.

peace to you

No. That was the language of US health experts during the Spanish flu ( which actually started in America), the Smallpox epidemic, the polio epidemic, etc. There's nothing communist about doing the medically necessary thing. But then, you don't care about others and you don't believe in science.

 

[Dave G]

Have ANY of you experienced anything like this?

Not so far, but knowing how much the present "atmosphere" is so highly charged ( and that fear is an irrational response that can motivate people to do some very desperate things ), I've been going along with it as far as I can in order to avoid the possibility.

However,
I'm about to run into a situation with my company where I, for reasons other than me being an "anti-vaxer" ( which I'm not,
I just don't think that I need to get this one or the other two dozen or so flu shots I've passed up over the years ), I will be on the receiving end of being mandated to continue wearing a mask and practice "social distancing", while others who have been vaccinated at my workplace will not.

There is no clear-cut PROOF that the vaccine works, especially when the CDC and Fauci end up contradicting each other or many of the points that have been disputed by others.

I agree.
Vaccines work to "train" the body to build up anti-bodies against potential infections.

They are not absolutely guaranteed to work, but because of how they are designed, they are supposed to be effective to an extent...
They give the human body a "boost" in the right direction, or so they say.

When I was on active and reserve duty in the U.S. Navy 20-30 years ago, I received many of them;
It was part of being subject to both DoD regulations and the UCMJ.
When they said to get them, I presented my arm and did it.
Now that I'm no longer under the UCMJ, I have a choice...

Or so I'm told.

 

[Dave G]

The efficacy of the vaccines is questionable, and the wearing of masks in spite of the vaccine in some locales is even more cause for people to question the science behind the masks and the vaccines.

From the articles I've seen,
Surgical masks do nothing to prevent the spread of viruses, other than to catch most of the moisture droplets that are exhaled from the body.

To me the wearing of masks in response to SARS-CoV 2 is more to prevent what you recently experienced...
Fearful people and mass hysteria over something that they cannot control.

Simply put,
this is not the first time in America and in other countries of the world where epidemics and pandemics have occurred and people "ran for the hills" both literally and figuratively.
Try researching the Cholera epidemic of the early 1830's in New York City,
or the "Spanish Flu" variant of H1N1 that occurred almost exactly 100 years ago, killed over 650,000 in the U.S alone and was estimated to have killed some 50 million, worldwide, from 1918 to 1919.

In addition,
Influenza ( in all its various strains ) is still out there, HIV is still out there, and SARS-CoV 1 is still out there, among many others...
Including tuberculosis, which kills 1.4 million people on average worldwide every year and is estimated to have infected nearly 1/4 of the world's population.
A Global Threat
HIV / AIDS
Flu Kills 646,000 People Worldwide Each Year: Study

Worldometer - real time world statistics

In my opinion, masks are not the answer and have done nothing to control the spread of SARS-CoV2.
But what they have done is to control the spread of mass hysteria and all that comes with it.

 

[AVL1984]

If you don't trust the CDC, the NIH, Mayo Clinic, the Cleveland Clinic, John's Hopkins, etc. who do you trust for medical recommendations? All of them say these vaccines are safe and effective. They also have recommended the use of masks.

When the medical establishment falls in line with a "pandemic" that was foretold/promised TWO YEARS before the actual event, something is amiss. Fauci spoke of Trump's administration facing a worldwide medical epidemic if he won, two years before he took office. Fauci was given orders by Obama to stop funding the lab in Wuhan, but he kept doing so. This has been a man-made "pandemic" with huge numbers of elderly, people with underlying conditions, etc., who were exposed to this "virus" (some physicians believe and have reported it as a bacterial infection, not a virus) were moved to nursing homes to die and decrease the population. It's called eugenics. The patent holders of this virus are IN FAVOR ot ANYTHING that will "reduce the population of the world." Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, George Soros, and Anthony Facui. Don't you find it funny that Fauci can't get his story straight. Don't you find that they have vastly over-reported deaths from C-19? The actual deaths are only 1-2% of what they're reporting as "Covid" deaths. Sorry, but there are many of us who look at all sides of the story, not just what the government and the MSM have been trying to sell us from day 1. It's a proven fact that masks don't prevent the disease from spreading, that the vaccination doesn't have near the efficacy that the government is saying it does. The recovery rates are far too high, and though this is a "serious" situation, it's far from a pandemic.

 

[canadyjd]

No. That was the language of US health experts during the Spanish flu ( which actually started in America), the Smallpox epidemic, the polio epidemic, etc. There's nothing communist about doing the medically necessary thing. But then, you don't care about others and you don't believe in science.

The science says 99.9% of people (overall) that get the virus completely recover without seeking medical care. The science says 95% of elderly people with preexisting conditions completely recover without seeking medical care.

The science says those that have had the virus and recovered (about 100 million people) have superior natural immunity to those that never had the virus but received the vaccine.

The science says children are particularly resistant to this virus and schools should never hav been shut down.

Why is the science ignored and these people are being forced to wear a mask? Why do you accuse these folks of “not caring about others” unless they wear a mask they do not need and does absolutely nothing?

There is everything “communist” about the way some people are approaching this virus.

peace to you

 

[Gold Dragon]

The science says 99.9% of people (overall) that get the virus completely recover without seeking medical care. The science says 95% of elderly people with preexisting conditions completely recover without seeking medical care.

The science actually says that 99% (not 99.9%) don't die. It does not say that they completely recover because there is a large proportion who go on to develop long covid which has a variable length (sometimes weeks and some still have yet to fully recover). Also a large percentage of that 99% that don't die (around 10-20%) needed hospitalization to avoid dying and a decent number needed ICU.

When 1% of cases die and you have 1 million people infected, that is still 10,000 people dying. As of today we have had 167 million positive cases of infection globally.

 

[poor-in-spirit]

Interesting article linked just below. More interesting is that covid has all but eradicated the seasonal flu and all other respiratory viruses on paper: Covid deaths alone in the U.S. have grand totaled: 9210 without comorbidity such as heart disease, decapitation, lung cancer, sucking chest wounds, traffic accidents, etc: About the same as any typical flu season prior to 2020.

Covid is a form of flu and is no doubt real. However, Satan's global government's response to it is the big hoax. They have made their move for one world government in the beginning of 2020 and there will be no going back.

Those whom push the psychological abuse of the marxist media by guilt tripping others into being as gullible as they are need to know that those shots are not vaccines, have not been tested (except on you) and big pharma has zero liability over resulting illness, injury or death from the shots. This abuse the media is demanding out of the brainwashed is merely the conditioning they need for this. Check out this Texas state Senate hearing excerpt on these "vaccines".

Some still watch, read and actually believe the marxist propaganda of the main stream media. Get away from it. Get educated while you still can with independent news sites, not owned or heavily influenced by china and their free trade created globalists. I suppose DARPA will shut down all independent sites soon enough but first they need an "national security" excuse. Opposing views are not entertained by the marxist media because the tenets of their reprobate delusion cannot be rationally debated. Instead truth is blocked, de-platformed, removed and censored because the reprobates cannot cloak their sins nor their plans while there is still access to truth.

Say the same thing to them that the reprobates say whom actually do destroy others lives: "My body, My choice".

Passports come next and they won't stay paper for long. The masks are conditioning to take the shots; the shots are conditioning to take a passport; the passports are conditioning to take a digital mark and this is happening worldwide throughout the industrialized nations. The covid hoax narrative is collapsing at this point however so expect another type of "pandemic", this time it will probably be a cyber-pandemic. They will get a mark on you one way or another to buy and sell and function in their new world society.

 

[canadyjd]

The science actually says that 99% (not 99.9%) don't die. It does not say that they completely recover because there is a large proportion who go on to develop long covid which has a variable length (sometimes weeks and some still have yet to fully recover). Also a large percentage of that 99% that don't die (around 10-20%) needed hospitalization to avoid dying and a decent number needed ICU.

When 1% of cases die and you have 1 million people infected, that is still 10,000 people dying. As of today we have had 167 million positive cases of infection globally.

These are the kind of exaggerations that give people a false belief in the severity of this virus.

You said a “large portion” of people don’t fully recover and develop long term problems. No stats, no real science to back up the statement.

You stated a “large percentage:up to 20%) of people exposed to the virus need hospitalization to avoid death. That is utter nonsense. As of several months ago, more than 100 million people in the US, and probably much higher, have been exposed. That would mean up to 20 million were hospitalized. That is not accurate.

You indicated a 1% fatality rate. That would mean more than 1 million US deaths. The real numbers are about half that, and the overwhelmingly majority of deaths occur in the elderly with preexisting conditions.

peace to you

 

[Salty]

...You indicated a 1% fatality rate. That would mean more than 1 million US deaths. The real numbers are about half that, and the overwhelmingly majority of deaths occur in the elderly with preexisting conditions.[/QUOT]

and I doubt some of that 1/2 million - were not directly related solely to the Chinese Virus
Many of them would have died anyways.

But as in any case those directly with stats want to prove their point.

For example - 40 % of all traffic collisions is due to booze
30% are due to collisions at
intersections
35 % occur due to speeding , another 35 % are due to inattention - ie texting, ect.

Wait - thats 140% of all traffic collisions --- sometimes there are two or more situations involving a collision.

and the same thing with the Chinese Virus.

Note: my stats -are based on reasonable gessamations - don't have the actual stats in front of me.
but they are pretty much close enough for govt work

 

[AVL1984]

The science actually says that 99% (not 99.9%) don't die. It does not say that they completely recover because there is a large proportion who go on to develop long covid which has a variable length (sometimes weeks and some still have yet to fully recover). Also a large percentage of that 99% that don't die (around 10-20%) needed hospitalization to avoid dying and a decent number needed ICU.

When 1% of cases die and you have 1 million people infected, that is still 10,000 people dying. As of today we have had 167 million positive cases of infection globally.

Positive cases don't mean POSITIVE DEATH! There's a huge difference between the two. And the # of positive cases doesn't make it a "pandemic." Sorry, but no cigar! I don't find anywhere where "a large percentage of the 99% that don't die (around 10-20%) needed hospitalization. I don't find that in the statistics. MOST DON'T need hospitalization. Your exaggeration of the facts is deplorable.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The science says 99.9% of people (overall) that get the virus completely recover without seeking medical care. The science says 95% of elderly people with preexisting conditions completely recover without seeking medical care.

The science says those that have had the virus and recovered (about 100 million people) have superior natural immunity to those that never had the virus but received the vaccine.

The science says children are particularly resistant to this virus and schools should never hav been shut down.

Why is the science ignored and these people are being forced to wear a mask? Why do you accuse these folks of “not caring about others” unless they wear a mask they do not need and does absolutely nothing?

There is everything “communist” about the way some people are approaching this virus.

peace to you

Please show me a reputable source for your guess.

 

[canadyjd]

Please show me a reputable source for your guess.

CDC numbers. I know it’s difficult to wade through, but it’s there.

peace to you

 

[FollowTheWay]

CDC numbers. I know it’s difficult to wade through, but it’s there.

peace to you