Anything good from alcohol?

So did Paul and Timothy leave the faith when Paul told Timothy, "No longer drink water exclusively, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments. "

 

Oh they are, but if you want to be funded by the NAMB, or seek any office or committee.... then you better not be a consumer of alcoholic beverages.... unless you want to lie on any paperwork. Its too bad that such a great organization has become so unbiblical. Grace and peace

 

They are, but it's rare to find the SBC church that wouldn't have a nuclear war over a pastor who has a glass of wine.

 

He'd of shamed me for the doctrines of sovereign grace too. :laugh:

 

This one likely won't be received well either, even though the version is not watered down:

Romans 14:14 - "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean."

 

Excuse me webdog,

I did NOT condemn you or any other poster, and I did and will continue to post on this thread in the vein that you have requested. Neither have I EVER condemned any other poster for use or not use of alcohol. I am in agreement with Charles Meadows' post when he said that we need to stop before the point of condemnation, but also realize that alcohol is indeed a stumblingblock for MANY people. Christians ought not be indulging in that which is a stumblingblock, even if it falls within their Christian liberties......whether it is specifically forbidden or not.

This is not a condemnation of those who partake, it is merely my opinion.

Also, it did seem as if you gave credit to the alcohol.......what other benefit were you claiming alcohol had on that visit with your neighbor? I thought I was very nice to you.......perhaps you took what I said the wrong way. It is difficult to portray emotions correctly on a forum board. I did not intend any harshness or sarcasm.

 

http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/wine_in_the_bible/1.html

 

There's lots of ground between where I'm at and where Finney is at---if I were standing directly over his grave---there'd be at least--what???--6 feet of sod and dirt between us----no, he can't shame me from where he's layin'

I have people tell me----"You'd take a big ole guzzle from that beer can on a hot Mississippi day if thats all you had, wouldn't you???!!!"

That begs the question----I bet Finney would guzzle my tea on a hot Mississippi day if thats all he had, too!!!!

 

Reformed believer,

I did not agree to the insult directed at Webdog - only to the notion that witness is an integral part of the whole alcohol issue. It has major stumbling block potential.

 

Well Webdog;,
How many "good" experiences have you read about on this entire thread? I see another fight over whether you can "drink" acohol, but I haven't read not even "one so called experience" on the entire thread.

Acohol is a tool of the devil regardless of what Helen says or anyone else. I think this is where teaching that Christians can drink moderately leads to and why it should not be taught. peace

 

Brother Bob, it is a tool that can be used by the devil, just as any tool can be. But, again just like any tool, it is not evil in and of itself.

OK, you want a good experience? I work hard around here and I am also in physical pain almost 24/7. That means I can be wound up pretty tight by evening. It takes me time to unwind enough to respond when my husband wants to cuddle up. A glass of wine with dinner erases the problem and I am more than happy to be the wife he wants and needs. We both think of that as a very positive and enjoyable benefit from wine.

Heaven knows (and that is not just an expression), I MUCH prefer that to being drugged with pain-killers and too loopy to respond at all! (Please keep in mind that even two ibuprofen can have that effect if I am tired, whereas a glass of wine won't).

 

I doubt very seriously you have the pain I live with and I would never consider going to acohol for the answer. Again, this kind of talk among the Baptist today will produce a family of drunk Baptist in the future and that is almost a surety. I know a brother who took a drink like yourself but he didn't advertise it to all the young Christians out there. No wonder people are removing the name Baptist from their churches. I find it very disturbing and I am not throwing stones at you or anyone but telling what I think the future holds with this kind of Bibical teachings.

 

I am not going to try to compare pain. What I have is generally all I think I could cope with without being on pain medication all the time. In the meantime, I consider wine, occasionally, in the evening, at home with my husband, to be a gift from God.

Not at bars. Not at parties. One glass, either in my own home or in someone else's when we are there for dinner.

It is enjoyable. It is a gift. I am grateful for it.

 

Bob, this teaching that alcohol is ok in the life of a believer is not even Biblical teaching. It is worldly teaching.

Alcohol is a narcotic, a drug. It is a depressant. It is funny one will say they won't take painkillers, but will drink alcohol which is a painkiller itself.

Proverbs 23:35 35 They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.

 

That verse isnt about pain killers, it is about a drunk that has passed out....
been there, done that.....a long time ago.

 

I never brought up the pain but live the way you want just dont teach others to do so.

 

Apparently the alcohol, even in moderation has defiled the person. They utter perverse things such as God allows it as long as it is in moderation; thereby defiling them.

Even when they don't drink (if they are being truthful about not drinking at all) and make statements that alcohol is permitted, it has caused them to utter perverse things that are contrary to God's Word; thereby defiling them.