Anything good from alcohol?

I say its not talking about drinking acohol. Are you saying you can use that scripture and drink a 1/5 jug of whiskey? I mean if you are going to use it that way that is what you are saying and do you think its proper to teach the young Christians to do the same?

Honestly do you have a "cut off" point when it comes to drinking?


I guess all we need to do is eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.

 

Do you know the background of the false teacher of that website. He builds an entire doctrine around one versed in Acts 2:13.

Explain to me how grape juice which would not ferment burst old wineskins? It is impossible to keep grape juice even in a refrigerator without amy kind of preservative.

Robertson's Word Pictures of the NT about Acts 2:13, "Sweet wine, but intoxicating. Sweet wine kept a year was very intoxicating."

The word for wine oinos is found in the following verses:

Matt 9:17
Matt 27:34
Mark 2:22
Mark 15:23
Luke 1:15
Luke 5:37, 38
Luke 7:33
Luke 10:34
John 2:3
John 2:9,10
John 4:46
Roma 14:21
Ephe 5:18
1Tim 3:8
1Tim 5:23
Titu 2:3
Reve 6:6
Reve 14:8
Reve 14:10
Reve 16:19
Reve 17:2
Reve 18:3
Reve 18:13
Reve 19:15

 

I am sorry Ann; I don't uphold any type of drinking of acohol. I think it is a terrible wrong to teach others to do so.

 

I know for a fact you can keep it a year for I have do so without fermentation. Of course that was Welch's.

Well, I have spoken my beliefs. peace

 

It is not if you leave it on the shelf.

1 Corinthians, chapter 5

"11": But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

A person who has never had acohol in their blood stream can drink 1 and be completely drunken. You can season yourself to be able to drink more and more. Seems like that would tell people something that they have to season themselves to be able to drink more and more. I think I have heard that same thing about herion.

 

You are right. The vast majority of Christians in church each Sunday have never led anyone to Christ and even fewer have discipled anyone.

The vast majority are disobedient to the command Jesus gave in Mt. 28:19, 20 and what Matthew teaches in 4:19.

By the fruit displayed, they show no fruit. They have shown they are not fishers of men.

 

The biggest difference between a Lutheran and a Baptist? The Lutheran will say "hi" to you at the liquor store.

A Russian Orthodox, however, doesn't enter a liquor store; he can make alcohol out of anything!

 

The Amish make their own wine.

 

Your conviction is just that. Do not let it hinder your relationship with God or be an offense to someone else to keep them from Christ. Unless you can show your conviction is based on God's word then it subject to opinion.

Teaching scripture is never wrong. So why spend time on opinions. There are a lot of Christians beginning to look rather stupid nowadays because scientists are now beginning to make the claim that since the Danes have begun to drink small amounts of wine, heart disease has been reduced in Denmark. Those kinds of arguments are a no win situation and detract from the real issues of life and our relationship with God. If we teach and interpret scripture in light of its historical context then we never lose and God gets the glory.

Jesus drank wine. Paul commanded Timothy to drink wine. What Paul said was done under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and is recorded in scripture.

One who took a Nazirite vow abstained from wine but he also did not cut his hair. Would you advocate that? The Bible says it is a shame for a man to have long hair too. How would you teach both correctly if you only have an opinion?

Too many times Christians try and force their opinions on people and be a junior Holy Spirit when the person needs to wrestle with God first.

 

If you drive by theri home you can see their grapes growing too.

 

1) Alcohol production allows for respiration that keeps some microorganisms alive.

2) Wine is a blessing from God

NASB : Gen 27:28
May God give you of heaven's dew and of earth's richness-- an abundance of grain and new wine.

3) Wine makes the hearts of men glad

NASB : Psalms 104:14-15
He causes the grass to grow for the cattle, And vegetation for the labor of man, So that he may bring forth food from the earth,
And wine which makes man's heart glad, So that he may make his face glisten with oil, And food which sustains man's heart.

4) It is God's preferred drink for celebration

NASB : Isaiah 25:6
The LORD of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain; A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow, And refined, aged wine.

5) The fruit of the vine was chosen to represent his blood

NASB : Matthew 26:27-28
And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.

 

Good heavens! I can't believe this is such a big deal. When I was growing up, my parents never made a big deal about drinking or not drinking alcohol. Dad occasionally had a beer when he came in from the field at night. Grandma was not a drinker, but kept a bottle of blackberry brandy in the refrigerator for "medicinal purposes". Occasionally, the adults had a glass of wine with a holiday meal. I never saw any member of my family drink in excess. Most did not drink at all.

As a result of my family's moderate view of alcohol, it never seemed like a big deal and I never had the desire to "drink and party" escessively as so many of my peers did.

PA

 

Luk 1:15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Must of meant something to the Lord for John to not drink wine or strong drink. You think those words are in the Bible to take up space, yet people like yourself want to pretend they are not there. So it is not just an opinion it is Scripture and also its being a "good Christian". This is just one of many.

Again, nothing good ever come from drinking acohol. For people to say now its a medicine is a joke. Reminds me of a supposed Christian man who was caught with a gallon jug of "white lightening" and ask why, he said it was for mediciple purposes. Well, he is no long with us.

The problem is not me teaching Christians to obstain from acohol its people like you teaching them the Scriptures says its ok to drink when it does no such thing and I don't intend to get into what was wine back in the days of Christ for its been wrestled enough but people like yourself teaching others to drink will produce a church filled with drunks for man has always went farther than that which is allowed. You say one drink and that lead to another regardless of what you say.

Ann;
Also, my neighbor made wine for years out of grapes and strawberries and it was all done by hand. So, I know firsthand that they do make wine by hand and its only through ignorance of those who do not know that statements are made such as yours. He certainly did not have a "wine press". We have proven on the other thread they made wine by hand in large quanities back in bibical times.

qb93433
People like yourself take where they think it says a little wine to its ok to have a few drinks to next thing that come naturally is getting drunk. So qb93433 you clean up your own house and I will take care of mine.

The OP was anything good from acohol. Maybe you would care to share some of your "good" experiences from drinking acohol, other than "feeling good", for it does do that. You quote a couple scriptures about a "little" wine knowing full well I could quote many more where God said to obstain from wine and strong drink. Some people read the Bible to see how much they can get away with and others read it to see how close they can live to God. peace

 

Um, if the wine John had to abstain from was alcoholic, why wasn't the wine at Cana alcoholic?

In the meantime, why are good feelings enough for a drink of wine? They are enough for beautiful art, lovely music, and all sorts of non-essentials. We even prefer the foods that 'feel good' to us. We don't wear hair shirts because it doesn't feel good. In other words, we run our lives a great deal around what feels good.

Now, it is possible that you will say that a Christian should not do this. And I would reply that feeling good is not a sin, despite the Puritans. It really is OK to wear pleasant clothes, to enjoy fine art, to listen to lovely music. And it is OK to drink a glass of wine simply because you want to and it makes you relaxed and feel good.

Bob, you said that "People like yourself take where they think it says a little wine to its ok to have a few drinks to next thing that come naturally is getting drunk."

Well, I guess I am not doing what comes naturally. I'm 58 and 1/2 years old now and I have drunk wine occasionally for many, many years and I have yet (since my rather stupid time in college) to get drunk. Not only that, I think most of my friends and acquaintances are not natural either!

I used to work at Mira Loma Hospital in Lancaster, California. It was, then, (I don't know about now), a long-term hospital which housed mostly alcoholics. I saw what alcoholism means. I saw people die from it. I have a remarkable oil painting done by one of the patients a week before his liver did him in. To me, then and now, it is this which is not natural -- this craving for alcohol.

I'm afraid I do liken it to the craving for food I see in very fat people. Both are killers. But that doesn't mean food is evil.

I liken it, as well, to the craving for sex we see in some abusers. This is also deadly -- often for the victim. But that doesn't mean sex is evil. And I think you will note there are probably just as many warnings about sex in the wrong time and place in the Bible as there are about wine and other strong drinks.

And I see a LOT more damage being done by both food and sex in our culture than I do by wine. I see enormous damage being done by drugs (sorcery in the Bible), and I daresay there are those even here on BB who struggle with the control drugs can have over you, whether they be legal or illegal.

So WHY are you folks fixated on wine?

When my grandfather was a young man in the "Old West" (I have a photo of him crossing part of Montana on a mail stage. He saw the first car roll across the plains.), it was considered common sense to carry a flask of whiskey with you in the winter to prevent frostbite if you were stranded for a time or out too long. Alcohol relaxes the blood vessels and when your body is quite cold, the blood will get shunted by your system into the interior parts to keep the vitals going as long as possible. But short term exposure can still lead to painful frostbite. Alcohol prevented that by relaxing the blood vessels and allowing the hands and feet to warm up with the blood supply. Of course, if you were out too long, this could lower your entire body temperature dangerously, but most of the time the exposure was due to short term conditions such as being out getting in the animals, too long a journey on the stage, etc. These people knew that alcohol would keep them from losing a toe or a whole foot.

Not a bad thing.

I never saw my grandfather even high. I never heard of him ever being drunk. He had a lot of common sense and stayed alive through some very rough times.

So please, you folks, go fixate on something else which is doing far more harm to people. Are you afraid to talk about the damage sex outside of marriage does? The Bible isn't. Why not start a discussion on the joy of marriage, as a way of building up the body here and as an example to the evident thousands of readers who visit here?

Is this fixation on alcohol a different type of alcoholism?