Apocalypse Then, Afghanistan Now & Obama at the Precipice

[Nonsequitur]

Seriously, can anyone state what our objective is in Afghanistan? Are you that much of a cod brain? No, really, what do you mean about that? Are you so cod brained that you do not realize that the terrorists were trained there, financed there from HEROIN money, and the base of operations is there? How can an American complain about what we did there? How will we know if we win? That's easy. When they quit flying planes into our buildings, killing an untold number of CIVILIANS that you seem to care so much of. I understand that many will say that we lost if we should withdraw but why should we continue to spend our resources and the lives of our soldiers if we don't know what we're fighting for? Ask any soldier that has been over there what we are fighting for, then show him/her a print-out of what you have written here. When/if you wake up from their response, tell us about it.From what I've read, Pakistan seems to be our real enemy. From what you have read.They've harbored the terrorists and there's even evidence that they provided funding for the 9/11 hijackers. When are you leaving to bring them to justice? If we do stay in Afghanistan we should focus on the terrorists if (if?) they are really there. Fighting the Taliban is fighting just another civil war just like Viet Nam or Iraq.

This went to page two and no one said anything?
O.K.
I'll play. (See above, then come back here).
I was never in the military.
I was never shot at by people in a foreign land.
I was a cop.
I only got shot at by our own citizens. (Well, maybe a few illegals, but I never checked where the bullets came from.
Tell you what Alatide/Justchristian/whoever you want to be.
Let's go over there together.
I'll fight for the red, white, and blue.
You can fight for....well.....whomever.
You make me sick.
Cod-brain.

 

[targus]

Why such disrespect for cod?

 

[KenH]

Still in denial and doing the backstroke.

I can understand why.

Fine. Think of me what you will, carpro.


Have a great day in the Lord, carpro. :godisgood:

 

[alatide]

"
Here’s the thing: This may be our next “Vietnam moment,” but Afghanistan is no Vietnam: there are no major enemy powers like the Soviet Union and China lurking in the background; no organized enemy state with a powerful army like North Vietnam supporting the insurgents; no well organized, unified national liberation movement like the Vietcong, and that’s just a beginning. Almost everywhere, in fact, the Vietnam analogy breaks down – almost everywhere, that is, except when it comes to us. Because we never managed to leave Vietnam behind, even when we were proclaiming that we had kicked that “syndrome,” it turns out that we’re still there. Our military leaders, for instance, only recently dusted off the old Vietnam-era counterinsurgency doctrine that once ended in catastrophe, shined it up, and are now presenting it as an ingenious new solution to war-fighting. Let’s face it: everything about American thinking still stinks of the Vietnamese debacle, including the inability of our leaders to listen to a genuinely wide range of options."

&

"It’s early in 1965, and President Lyndon B. Johnson faces a critical decision. Should he escalate in Vietnam? Should he say “yes” to the request from U.S. commanders for more troops? Or should he change strategy, downsize the American commitment, even withdraw completely, a decision that would help him focus on his top domestic priority, “The Great Society” he hopes to build?

We all know what happened. LBJ listened to the generals and foreign policy experts and escalated, with tragic consequences for the United States and calamitous results for the Vietnamese people on the receiving end of American firepower. Drawn deeper and deeper into Vietnam, LBJ would soon lose his way and eventually his will, refusing to run for reelection in 1968.

President Obama now stands at the edge of a similar precipice."

- rest at http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2009/10/11/apocalypse-then-afghanistan-now/

Afghanistan was Russia's Viet Nam. The military is speaking in terms of us being there for another decade or more. It's the same kind of gorilla warfare than won us our independence but caused us to lose the Viet Nam war. You're right in the sense that there doesn't seem to be a danger of an escalation by a major power but we could still get bogged down there for a long time and it could easily sap our resources which are limited at the moment and lose support from our people.

We can't define a legitimate reason for being there. In my view, Pakistan was the real enemy. So why should we stay? Because we've already been there for 8 years? I've heard that one before. It wasn't true for Viet Nam and it isn't true for Afghanistan.

Protecting the American people from terrorism is best left to covert activities by the CIA not invasions of countries. Of course. we also need to provide more protection at home. Just exactly has the Homeland Security Dept. done to make us safer? At least Obama administration did catch what might have been a major plot underday by arresting that guy in Colorado. Let's see if he unlike Bush will bring him to trial rather than release him or hold him forever in secret.

 

[rbell]

We can't define a legitimate reason for being there. In my view, Pakistan was the real enemy. So why should we stay?

I give alatide 6 months, and he'll disown this statement as well. He keeps coming up with countries we "should have invaded"--then when we do, he claims we shouldn't have done it.

Protecting the American people from terrorism is best left to covert activities by the CIA not invasions of countries. Of course. we also need to provide more protection at home. Just exactly has the Homeland Security Dept. done to make us safer? At least Obama administration did catch what might have been a major plot underday by arresting that guy in Colorado. Let's see if he unlike Bush will bring him to trial rather than release him or hold him forever in secret.

More intellectual dishonesty...we know that plots were disrupted under the Bush administration as well...yet you pretend that Obama is the only one doing anything about Islamoterrorists. Baloney.

 

[Nonsequitur]

Why such disrespect for cod?

You are right.
I'm sorry.
To all who use the C.O.D. feature of our worthy U.S. Mail.
I apologize.
I realize we all can't stop our busy day just to go and buy stamps.:laugh: