apparitions ie. fatima

[myfavoritmartin]

I am interested in peoples take on visions of Mary. Has anyone ever heard of a protestant having these visions? Are they works of the devil? is it because as the rcc claim they are the "true church"? I personally think the link is the idollic tendencies of the rcc and satan see's his open window to appear as on of the instruments they use.
What's your take?

 

[Claudia_T]

Well since the Bible says over and over that the dead are in their graves and know nothing and that they will be resurrected at the second coming of Christ then obviously these so-called apparition of Mary are a farce. But it does illustrate why it is so dangerous to believe in the false theory of natural immortality of the soul which has its roots in Spiritualism.

Eccl:9:5: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

The entire thing sets people up for huge deceptions and is going to be the very basis for all the false miracles that will happen in these last days before Jesus comes.

Whn the disciples asked Jesus what would be the sign of His coming and of the end of the world He spoke of DECEPTIONS

take note of THE SECRET CHAMBERS remark:


Matthew 24:
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5: For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

23: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24: For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25: Behold, I have told you before.

26: Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in THE SECRET CHAMBERS; believe it not.

the secret chambers is referring to a seance type set up. New Agers do that, contact the spirit world or should I say pretend to.

they will pretend to be Christ or SPEAK for Christ, or be sent from Christ, such as the Virgin Mary supposedly sent to give the world "messages"

Most of the Protestant world is ripe for the deception since the adopted from Roman Catholicism the lie that the dead ar already in heaven... instead of in their graves awaiting the resurrection of Christ...

1 Thess. 4

15: For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Claudia

 

[JFox1]

Technically, the Catholics don't consider visions of Mary as Spirtism. They believe she never died but ascended directly to heaven, although the Bible doesn't say exactly what happened to her. Mary the mother of Jesus is last mentioned in Acts 1:14.

I personally think those visions of Mary are very subjective. They believe they're seeing Mary because they want to and because the Catholic Church places much more emphasis on the saints than Protestants do.

 

[D28guy]

"I am interested in peoples take on visions of Mary. Has anyone ever heard of a protestant having these visions?"

It depends on what you mean. Some *fringe* protetants, who probably arent born again and who consider the Catholic Church to be a good and true christian denomination, have had these visions.

But I have never heard of any true bible believing actually born again person claim to have seen these things.

"Are they works of the devil?"

Of course they are. The "Mary" in these visitations has said things that are blasphemous. The entity in these visions is a demon taking on the form of Mary.

"...is it because as the rcc claim they are the "true church"? I personally think the link is the idollic tendencies of the rcc and satan see's his open window to appear as on of the instruments they use.
What's your take?"

Pretty much agree with what you said, althought I dont know for sure what word you were trying to post whan you typed "idollic"

Do you mean that its "idolatry", or "idiotic"?

Mike

 

[Bro. James]

Idolatrous--given to strong delusion--believing a lie. Satan is their master.

Selah,

Bro. James

 

[BobRyan]

Originally posted by myfavoritmartin:
I am interested in peoples take on visions of Mary. Has anyone ever heard of a protestant having these visions? Are they works of the devil? is it because as the rcc claim they are the "true church"? I personally think the link is the idollic tendencies of the rcc and satan see's his open window to appear as on of the instruments they use.
What's your take?

Demons were able to work with the witch of Endore to bring up the "apparition of Samuel" for the witch - that she then reported to Saul.

There is nothing "new" here in communicating with the dead.

Neither is this new to scripture as God says in Isaiah 8:19-20 "do not consult the dead on behalf of the living".

Demons are happy to work in such a dark-ages mentality to conjur up any apparition one may wish.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Eliyahu]

Col 2:

Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,


Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.


Miserable Heretics claim what is untrue and never exist.

 

[Bro. James]

"Protestants" having visions--Joseph Smith Jr., circa 1832, said he saw spirit personages by his bed. He says he was told to start a new church--all the others had apostasized. Millions of people still believe his testimony. He is either a true prophet of God or a false prophet. If true, we better get lined up with the LDS in Utah, or is it Missouri? Oops, it must be time for another apparition.

God wrote only one Bible--it does not include the Book of Mormon.

Now what?

Selah,

Bro. James

 

[Melanie]

Of course the RCC studies any of these visions intensely before declaring whether or not the faithful should heed them. There are several current visions still regarded as not authenticated by the RCC. The church does not insist on belief however as these are accorded as private revelations rather than public ( ending with the Disciples of Our Lord.)

If you read about the Fatima children, Sr Lucy being the last surviving o the children who has recently died, she was prevented from talking or granting any sort of interview by the church, in fact the visionaries tend to be persecuted by the heirachy which is extremely painful for these devout and sincere persons. The so called secrets told to Sr Lucy by the BVM are still hotly debated by the RCC.

 

[mima]

These visions of Mary are obviously the manifestations of demons. Do the people see something? Indeed they do!! It's like the people that see UFOs, they truly do to see something, but what ever they see is a manifestation of the demonics in the spirit world.

 

[myfavoritmartin]

Originally posted by Briony-Gloriana:
The church does not insist on belief however as these are accorded as private revelations rather than public

What is your take?
true apparition or works of the devil?

 

[Eliyahu]

Sometimes clouds form a picture of people, even at Sept 11, the fumes and dusts formed a horrible picture.

Is Mary not sleeping? Is she Omni-Present to accept all the prayers from 1.3 Billion RC around the world?

 

[wopik]

possible

 

[D28guy]

Of course the RCC studies any of these visions intensely before declaring whether or not the faithful should heed them.

 

[D28guy]

Believe me, the "faithful" will need no commandment from Rome as to whether or not they should heed demomic manifestations.

Mike

 

[BobRyan]

Those who claim to speak to the dead are many in both Christian and pagan circles. ALL of them claim that the dead are very active after death.

The RCC admits that for RC members they need to try to distinguish which dead to pray to...

Pagan prayer methods.

Catholic Digest 12/1994 pg 129

“The Rosary is, unsurprisingly, Not mentioned in the Bible. Legend and history place its beginning in the 13th century long After the Bible was completed. As a Pagan practice, praying on counting beads goes back centuries before Christ…

Buddhists use prayer wheels and prayer beads for the same purpose… Counting prayer beads is common practice in religious cultures”.

Cath Digest 9/1993 pg 129
Question:
“My husband has been transferred to Japan and we have been here in Hiroshima for about two months. On a site seeing tour the Japanese guide brought me to a Buddhist shrine. There were statues of Buddha everywhere. The guide told me they represented different aspects of life and that the people offer food to the Buddhas and ask for Favors. It made me think of Our Catholic praying to the saints and wonder whether they have anything like the Ten Commandments to guide them.

There were fountains at the gate where pious visitors washed their hands before entering the shrine grounds. Could this be the same as our holy water?”

Ans:
“Very probably the physical washing signifies some kind of spiritual cleansing, AS it does with Us! Some Muslims say prayers on rosarylike beads Just as We do, so there is no copyright enforced on prayerful customs among the great world religions. The Pagan Romans prayed, each family to its Own household gods, JUST as we do to our patron saints. In Old Testament times the gentile had local gods for their town or country, and our Christian Saints eventually supplanted Them!

The Hebrews, of Course, had the mission of Wiping Out such heathen worship with the worship of the one true God, and while they have always had great respect for spiritual heroes, they Never set up any of their own race as substitutes for the local pagan gods!!
They had no need to make distinctions between praying TO the saints for their intercession with god and total adoration of God as the source of everything, as we must!

..

 

[webdog]

Here's your answer...

2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder! For Satan himself is disguised as an angel of light.

 

[Melanie]

...so what you are saying, when the disciples and many others saw the Risen Christ....He was a demonic vision, and the same no doubt applies for the Descent of the Paraclete at Pentecost.

 

[BobRyan]

The Holy Spirit is neither dead saint, nor apparition.

Christ was not seen "dead" or "alive in death" nor was He ever seen as a ghostly "apparition".

Trying to equivocate between a bodily resurrection and the spirits of the dead supposedly communicating with the living is not something the Bible will support. (Hint: Read the Catholic Digest article just posted)

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Eliyahu]

Except the True Christians who reject Idol Worship and pagan practices, all the other religions like Roman Religion, Muslim, Buddhism, Conficianism, etc can be united under one umbrella and they will have Emperor Pope for the World Religion, which will be Anti-Christ.