Are all "bibles" the word of God?

It is sad to see that when catching you in an error, you resort to this type of nonsense. Why not pursue Truth? Is that something that we should not seek after? Is that an honest question? Instead of admitting that you were wrong, we resort to character attacks? I'm thankful that God is a God who desires Truth - He is a God of order, not chaos.

To respond to the first post you have made, which showed to me that you knew absolutely nothing of Greek, you do not even have the Hebrew letters in the correct order, which makes a huge difference. If you can't even get the letters right, what use is there of responding?

 

Any translation is not the real deal. There is always loss in a translation. The inspired version is the only real one. Why do you think so much is made over the issue of textual criticism and what is the original text?

 

S&T,

I agree with (or at least don't disagree with) almost everything you say in every post of yours I've read, but Scott has a good point here. You should always quote your sources. I read the post in question and assumed you wrote it as well, but I know it was an honest mistake on your part.

I think both of you are a little upset and as a result have begun to attack each other's person. I should know, I've been in the same place before. It's a shame because both of you are two of the most reasonable posters we have.

 

You really don't know Hebrew, do you?</font>[/QUOTE]I spent years studying for an orthodox Jewish conversion, and can read (i.e. prnonounce aloud) Hebrew well enough (heh, but understanding it is something else) and I find nothing wrong with this statement. Of course Hebrew reads from right to left, but in every case where a Rabbi (or anyone else) discussed the spelling of a word with me, they always pronounced the individual letters in the same order S&T did. Or is it something else we're both missing?

 

You really don't know Hebrew, do you?</font>[/QUOTE]I spent years studying for an orthodox Jewish conversion, and can read (i.e. prnonounce aloud) Hebrew well enough (heh, but understanding it is something else) and I find nothing wrong with this statement. Of course Hebrew reads from right to left, but in every case where a Rabbi (or anyone else) discussed the spelling of a word with me, they always pronounced the individual letters in the same order S&T did. Or is it something else we're both missing? </font>[/QUOTE]Go look at the name in question in the Bible mentioned and see if you see it.

 

Your letters are mixed up, leaving your explanation completely bogus.

 

And as you saw, I didn't have to attack anything. But because it was a post that was knowledgable and reasonable and showed understanding of the languages, it didn't take me any time to realize that you hadn't written it. I'm sorry, but it's the truth.

Trickery isn't a legitimate reason for plagarism. As far as I am concerned, there is no legitimate reason for plagarism.

I caught you twice, and you say that it is without substance?

I would like to believe that it is Christ who wishes men to speak the truth at all times.

Let no man despise your youth. I like how you threw the age-card in there. It shows that you really don't have much of an argument. If you come to a debate board, you should expect that you and your methods will be questioned, especially if you make a claim of being "very familiar with Aramaic and Hebrew" and then can't even come up with an accurate spelling of the word in question. Go back and figure it out again.

 

And for the record:

The spelling that the Restored Name King James uses for Jesus is "Yod-He-Vav-Shin-Ayin." It is found http://www.eliyah.com/Scripture/books/john3.htm


S&T said:

"If you look at the Hebrew in this "translation", you will find that it is Yod / Hey / Shin / Vav / Ayin"

Can you see a difference? Do you understand why I made the comment that you really aren't "very familiar with Aramaic and Hebrew"? This is too basic to be a mere slip-up. It confirmed what I suspected. You had plenty of chances to look it up and make the correction.

I'm sorry if this seems harsh, but we as Christians should be honest in all things, including the claims we make about ourselves.

 

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Jason

 

Sigh. "Yod-He-Vav-Shin-Ayin" is a Hebrew name (Strong's H3091) and can be found in Zechariah 6:11. (Interestingly enough, in the next verse, there is a prophesy about the Messiah - the Branch.) It is translated in English as Joshua in every version that I can find, and is spelled in Hebrew the way that the Restored Name King James has it. Strong's and the BDB both concur that these are two valid spellings for the same name.

So your answer is: The English rendering is Joshua and, yes, it is found in the Masoretic texts in Zechariah 6:11. Will you concede your point now? And will you admit that you are not "familiar with Aramaic and Hebrew?"

Now, is the straining of gnats finished? Thanks.

 

Scott,

My Englishman's Hebrew concordance doesn't do proper names, and my bible software isn't powerful enough to search by specific hebrew spelling. If it's easy for you to check, how many times does Joshua appear with each spelling? Just curious....

 

Might I suggest that you learn Hebrew and then you'll be able to tell for yourself? The same stuff was happening in the Message thread regarding Greek. The problem is that you still have not corrected your statement about being "very familiar with Aramaic and Hebrew." I'm not calling you stupid - I am questioning the veracity of this statement. Because what you said then and what you have shown in this and other threads, the two are incongruent. Thus, I have no choice but to believe that you are not familiar with Aramaic or Hebrew. I am glad that you have conceded the point - do you understand now why I didn't immediately answer this way? Your answer showed me that which I suspected, and I gave you a chance to explain yourself, which you still have not.

You'll notice that I didn't clamor about my own experience in the languages. Instead, I held you to your own standard. Why prooftext Scripture instead of admitting the truth - you lied about being "very familiar with Aramaic and Hebrew." Shall I place some Scriptures about not speaking the truth here for you?