Are All Unsaved People Demon Possessed

[salzer mtn]

In light of scripture as Eph 2:2 Wherein in times past ye walked according to the course of this world, ACCORDING to the prince of the power of air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience. In 11Tim 2:26 the scripture uses the words concerning the lost as snared of the devil and taken captive by him, the devil at his will. Luke 11:21 When a strong man (Satan) armed keepeth his palace ( Mans heart) his goods are in peace. 11 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. We read of where Christ cast out seven devils out of Mary Magdalene and the demonic man that lived among the tombs but if mankind walks according to the prince of darkness and is taken captive by Satan at his will and his mind is blinded by the god of this world then if this is not demon possessed what other description could be made of lost humanity ?

 

[righteousdude2]

In light of scripture as Eph 2:2 Wherein in times past ye walked according to the course of this world, ACCORDING to the prince of the power of air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience. In 11Tim 2:26 the scripture uses the words concerning the lost as snared of the devil and taken captive by him, the devil at his will. Luke 11:21 When a strong man (Satan) armed keepeth his palace ( Mans heart) his goods are in peace. 11 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. We read of where Christ cast out seven devils out of Mary Magdalene and the demonic man that lived among the tombs but if mankind walks according to the prince of darkness and is taken captive by Satan at his will and his mind is blinded by the god of this world then if this is not demon possessed what other description could be made of lost humanity ?

Not all, but more than we'd believe.

 

[OldRegular]

in light of scripture as eph 2:2 wherein in times past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience. In 11tim 2:26 the scripture uses the words concerning the lost as snared of the devil and taken captive by him, the devil at his will. Luke 11:21 when a strong man (satan) armed keepeth his palace ( mans heart) his goods are in peace. 11 cor 4:4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. We read of where christ cast out seven devils out of mary magdalene and the demonic man that lived among the tombs but if mankind walks according to the prince of darkness and is taken captive by satan at his will and his mind is blinded by the god of this world then if this is not demon possessed what other description could be made of lost humanity ?

NO! No! No!!

 

[HAMel]

...only if they vote liberal.

 

[salzer mtn]

I am not interested in opinions. Make your case with scripture.

 

[Revmitchell]

In light of scripture as Eph 2:2 Wherein in times past ye walked according to the course of this world, ACCORDING to the prince of the power of air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience. In 11Tim 2:26 the scripture uses the words concerning the lost as snared of the devil and taken captive by him, the devil at his will. Luke 11:21 When a strong man (Satan) armed keepeth his palace ( Mans heart) his goods are in peace. 11 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. We read of where Christ cast out seven devils out of Mary Magdalene and the demonic man that lived among the tombs but if mankind walks according to the prince of darkness and is taken captive by Satan at his will and his mind is blinded by the god of this world then if this is not demon possessed what other description could be made of lost humanity ?

It is apparent that we need to ask the question "Can Satan have control and or influence of the lost externally rather than internally (possession)?"

Do the passages above insist clearly that these actions Satan engages in with man are strictly internal (possession)?

I do not believe the op has made that case.

 

[salzer mtn]

Rev you have made a very logical statement but I could also say it is logical that the earth is flat and not round as some use to think because if it were round the people at the bottom of the earth would fall off.

 

[Revmitchell]

Rev you have made a very logical statement but I could also say it is logical that the earth is flat and not round as some use to think because if it were round the people at the bottom of the earth would fall off.

Ok well I thought you wanted a discussion. I will leave you to it.

 

[salzer mtn]

In John 8:44 Jesus plainly told the Jews that they were of their father the devil and the lust of their father they would do. We can put the Jews in the same category as mankind because until a person is born again he is a Christ rejecter as these Jews in chapter eight.

 

[salzer mtn]

Ok well I thought you wanted a discussion. I will leave you to it.

You gave a logical statement but presented no scripture to prove your point. You said I failed to make my case with scripture but these scripture puts mankind under the dominion of Satan and indicates he is in complete control.

 

[Revmitchell]

You gave a logical statement but presented no scripture to prove your point. You said I failed to make my case with scripture but these scripture puts mankind under the dominion of Satan and indicates he is in complete control.

I did not give a statement. I asked you questions in which you never answered.

Does that mean, based on the scripture you presented, that it has to be an eternal influence (possession) rather than an external influence?

Now I am asking this based on your logic and the scripture you presented. I have made no argument against anything you have said. I have not presented any opposing argument. I simply asked a question based on your position.

I am interested to know if in considering your position did you consider whether scripture insists this must be an external influence or an internal influence (possession).

 

[HankD]

In light of scripture as Eph 2:2 Wherein in times past ye walked according to the course of this world, ACCORDING to the prince of the power of air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience. In 11Tim 2:26 the scripture uses the words concerning the lost as snared of the devil and taken captive by him, the devil at his will. Luke 11:21 When a strong man (Satan) armed keepeth his palace ( Mans heart) his goods are in peace. 11 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. We read of where Christ cast out seven devils out of Mary Magdalene and the demonic man that lived among the tombs but if mankind walks according to the prince of darkness and is taken captive by Satan at his will and his mind is blinded by the god of this world then if this is not demon possessed what other description could be made of lost humanity ?

I don't think so. "The spirit of"... could mean the influence of the satanic realm. Hollywood for instance spreading the desire for the pleasures of sin for a season.

1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

NKJV 1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one. (italics by the NKJV translators).

"Wickedness" literally says "the wicked one" (uses the definite article).

Also we don't know how many demons there are.
It would require 1 demon for every unregenerate person for the whole world to be individually possessed.

HankD

 

[OldRegular]

The demons that possessed people were, according to Scripture, spirit beings. None of the Scripture you cited indicate possession by spirit beings.

 

[Rolfe]

In John 8:44 Jesus plainly told the Jews that they were of their father the devil and the lust of their father they would do. We can put the Jews in the same category as mankind because until a person is born again he is a Christ rejecter as these Jews in chapter eight.

He also called Peter "Satan".

But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. -Matthew 16:23.

 

[HankD]

Also, how much provocation to do evil do we (humanity) need?

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

John 3
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

HankD

 

[Revmitchell]

Also, how much provocation to do evil do we (humanity) need?

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

John 3
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

HankD

While that is true the op is not trying to cover all the basis of why we sin. It is taking a very distinct portion of all the influences in our lives and speaking to that.

 

[HankD]

While that is true the op is not trying to cover all the basis of why we sin. It is taking a very distinct portion of all the influences in our lives and speaking to that.

Yeah, I see that. Satan then probably herds us along like cattle to do his will.
We have all the equipment.

HankD

 

[salzer mtn]

I don't think anyone will deny the fact by the scripture I put up that Satan controls lost humanity. So if we look at the word possessed it's meaning is to control or occupy. One way Satan controls lost humanity is through the fallen fleshly nature. The fleshly nature is in league with Satan, it is in alliance with him. Humanities nature willingly wants to be controlled by evil forces, Man loves darkness rather that light because his deeds are evil. Does this mean that every lost person in the world grows horns and becomes a Satan worshiper or a drug attack ? No. Some people live a very contented moral life style and seemly are never harassed by Satan at all. This person is at peace with himself. He is kept at peace by the strong man armed (Satan) The only hope for this person is if a stronger than he (Christ) over cometh him and spoileth his good (peace). In Matt 12:43-45 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest and findeth none. I believe this verse plainly states lost man has a unclean demonic spirit. I also see this as this spirit can come and go as he pleases. When the evil spirit goes out of this person he may seek religion but it is like a dry desert to him, he seeks rest in it but finds none. Because the man is not saved the evil spirit says, I will return to my house and when he does the evil spirit finds the man has swept and garnished himself with religion. The evil spirit taketh with him seven more spirits more wicked than himself and they dwell there and the last state of the man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this generation. Have you ever noticed people that make a false profession of faith or just start going to church but after a period of time just quit and they become more wicked than they ever was before hand.

 

[Yeshua1]

In light of scripture as Eph 2:2 Wherein in times past ye walked according to the course of this world, ACCORDING to the prince of the power of air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience. In 11Tim 2:26 the scripture uses the words concerning the lost as snared of the devil and taken captive by him, the devil at his will. Luke 11:21 When a strong man (Satan) armed keepeth his palace ( Mans heart) his goods are in peace. 11 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. We read of where Christ cast out seven devils out of Mary Magdalene and the demonic man that lived among the tombs but if mankind walks according to the prince of darkness and is taken captive by Satan at his will and his mind is blinded by the god of this world then if this is not demon possessed what other description could be made of lost humanity ?

Are ALL sinners/unsaved under the domenion of satan, as being in his Kingdom? yes, but would say that not all of them are demon possessed, as he seems to reserve that for 'special cases"

 

[Revmitchell]

The answer is no the op and the scripture used in the op cannot be used to prove that all lost people are possessed by Satan. There is a clear and distinct difference between an external influence and internal influence.