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Are Baptists Protestants and other questions

Salty

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Is there actually an unbroken lineage of Baptist churches and that can be traced?

Must a new church start have the authority of a "mother" church - or can a few Baptists just decide on their own to organize a new Baptist church.

If a group splits from a church, and forms their own new church - is that a valid church - esp if they do not have any authority from another church?

If there is a church split - and both sides declare they are the true continuation of the original church - who decides which group is - or does it even matter?

Are Baptists Protestants? Please explain.
 

PreachTony

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Is there actually an unbroken lineage of Baptist churches and that can be traced?
Way back in the dark ages of 2007, the Pope issued a statement saying that, unless your church could trace its lineage to an apostle, it was not a true church. It was, in no uncertain terms, a way of saying only the Catholic Church is a true church. Of course, he's wrong. The church does not need to be linked to a fallible man, but rather needs to be in close communion with the Holy Spirit of God. Once you get that sorted, it doesn't matter if your church is 500 years old or was founded five days ago.

Must a new church start have the authority of a "mother" church - or can a few Baptists just decide on their own to organize a new Baptist church.
Apparently, anyone who feels "called" to do so may "plant" a church. I disagree with this notion, for the simple fact that so many churches already exist and sometimes struggle to fill the pews. Most of those "church planters" are doing so because they disagree with the doctrines and traditions of their previous church and merely want a church that does things the way they prefer.

If a group splits from a church, and forms their own new church - is that a valid church - esp if they do not have any authority from another church?
Seeing as the vast majority of Baptists believe in the autonomy of the individual church, then being subject to the authority of a "mother" church is not in question. From my experience (and this is truly something I have experienced) around here when a church splits, the members leaving the church tend to join themselves with other already-established churches instead of forming their own. If they do form their own, it's typically very similar in form and structure to the church they just left.

The church I grew up in from my birth until 2001 suffered a very nasty split when some of the older men decided to try to stress pre-tribulation premillennial dispensationalism in a church that had, for all of its existence, been amillennial and, for all intents and purposes, partial-preterist. The strife grew so great that, at a church conference, roughly half the members requested their membership letters. My family and I requested our letters a month later, once we found our new church home. None of the folks who left ever considered starting their own church.

If there is a church split - and both sides declare they are the true continuation of the original church - who decides which group is - or does it even matter?
Frankly, Salty, it doesn't even matter. Serve the Lord, and don't worry about who can claim what title in regards to church history.

Are Baptists Protestants? Please explain.
Under the technical definition of Protestant, then yes, as the definition is "a member or follower of any of the Western Christian churches that are separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follow the principles of the Reformation, including the Baptist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran churches."
I have personally never been one to label myself a Protestant, as that term comes from the Reformation as men split from the onerous teachings of the Catholic church. I view the precepts of the Baptist faith to hold most closely with scriptural teaching, so I've never really considered my little independent Baptist church to have "protestantly reformed" itself away from Catholicism.
 

Aaron

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Actually, Baptists are Pentecostals now. But to weigh in on the questions:

Is there actually an unbroken lineage of Baptist churches and that can be traced?

No. And even if there were, it would be irrelevant.

Must a new church start have the authority of a "mother" church - or can a few Baptists just decide on their own to organize a new Baptist church.
No. Authority comes from the Word of God, not endless genealogies. That answers the next two questions.
 

Tom Butler

New Member
Let's see what the Prince of Preachers, Charles H. Spurgeon, had to say about the question of Baptist perpetuity/successionism:

"As to the Christians commonly called Baptists, we are convinced that they have, more than their brethren, preserved the ordinances of the Lord Jesus as they were delivered unto the saints. . . the claim ought not to be filched by the church of Rome, but should be left to that community which all along has held one, Lord, one faith, and one baptism. This body of believers has not been existed into temporal power, or decorated with worldly rank, but has dwelt for the most part in dens and caves of the earth destitute, afflicted, tormented, and has thus proved that it is of the house and lineage of the Crucified. . . . It would not be impossible to show that the first Christians who dwelt in this island were of the same faith and order as the churches now called Baptists. The evidence supplied by ancient monuments and baptisteries still surviving, would be conclusive in our favour were it not that upon this point the minds of men are not very open to argument."
This quote is from his sermon "Looking For Our Spiritual Roots" delivered at the Metropolitan Baptist Tabernacle in London, England. Spurgeon believed the origins of modern Baptists were found in the Anabaptists. He also believed that Baptists / Anabaptists had existed in England since the earliest days.

Thanks for Ben Stratton and his website Landmark Southern Baptists for this quote.
 

Tom Butler

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Here's another quote from Ben Stratton's website.

"It is not expected that we should give a church history in this limited essay. All that will be done is to glance at the existence of the church in each successive century ; and we shall only be able to notice where the true church flourished in one or two places at the same time. . . . Owing to the different languages of those nations where the followers of Christ have lived. and to the asperities of their opposers, the church has been known by the name of Baptists, Anabaptists, Wickliffites, Lollards, Hugonots, Mennonites, Hussites, Petrobrusians, Albigenses, Waldenses, Paulicans, etc.; and to oppose image worship, infant baptism, transubstantiation, and the unwarrantable power of the Pope, have ever been characteristics of this people. . . .
We should keep in mind that nearly every question has two sides; and while the controversy between us and the pedobaptists respects church origin, we are happy to have their full concession that they are recent dissenters from the Roman Catholics; and that the Baptist church is not only the true church of God, but that for her 'it is easy to trace a succession of witnesses for Jesus Christ against His rival at Rome.'"

"The Convert's Guide to First Principles" by Israel Robords, pastor of the First Baptist Church of New Haven, CT. It was published in 1838, well before the Landmark movement.
 

rsr

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Unfortunately, Spurgeon was reading the hagiography produced by Victorian Baptists.
 

Alcott

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Are Baptists Protestants and other questions

Yes, indeed, Baptists are questions.
 

Getting it Right

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One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism (not water), One God and Father of all.

Now....... how many of the denominations or non-denominations plug into that description? Please name each one using a numbering system: 1 2 3 4 5 etc. Please do not name those that don't fit the description.

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