Are Believers Now Reigning With Christ?

[TCGreek]

1. Is it safe to conclude from passages like Col.1:13; Rev. 1:5, 6; Rom 5:17 to affirm that believers are now reigning with Christ in His kingdom.

2. I understand Matt.13 to be referring to the Mystery form of the Kingdom, which we are now part of.

 

[pinoybaptist]

1. Is it safe to conclude from passages like Col.1:13; Rev. 1:5, 6; Rom 5:17 to affirm that believers are now reigning with Christ in His kingdom.

2. I understand Matt.13 to be referring to the Mystery form of the Kingdom, which we are now part of.

Oh, oh, careful now tcg.
This board is chockful of dispensationalists.
But interesting topic.:thumbs:

 

[npetreley]

Oh, oh, careful now tcg.
This board is chockful of dispensationalists.
But interesting topic.:thumbs:

Good question because BB is virtually overrun by millennial exclusionists. I think about 80% of ME folks in existence are registered here on BB.

 

[J.D.]

1. Is it safe to conclude from passages like Col.1:13; Rev. 1:5, 6; Rom 5:17 to affirm that believers are now reigning with Christ in His kingdom.

2. I understand Matt.13 to be referring to the Mystery form of the Kingdom, which we are now part of.

1. Yes. And perhaps Eph 2:6 can be added to that?

2. I agree, but I think it's no longer a mystery, Paul revealed it in Eph 2 to name one place.

 

[TCGreek]

1. Yes. And perhaps Eph 2:6 can be added to that?

2. I agree, but I think it's no longer a mystery, Paul revealed it in Eph 2 to name one place.

1. I grant that it is here now.

2. But there's a now/not yet tension in Scripture of the Kingdom.

3. We are still in the Mystery form of the Kingdom. If not, what do we do with the parables of Matt. 13 of the Wheat/Tares and Dragnet.

4. Where in Eph.2 has it been revealed?

 

[James_Newman]

Good question because BB is virtually overrun by millennial exclusionists. I think about 80% of ME folks in existence are registered here on BB.

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

 

[Lacy Evans]

Mark 9:11-13
11 And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?
12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.
13 But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

The Kingdom will come.
The Kingdom is among us.

God is three.
God is one.

God is soverign.
Man has free will.

Jesus is God.
Jesus is man.

Believers are saved.
Believers are being saved.
Believers will be saved.

Light is particle.
Light is wave.

 

[npetreley]

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Thanks! This is actually an excellent explanation as to why ME has gained popularity. That and the parable of the mustard seed.

 

[J. Jump]

This is actually an excellent explanation as to why ME has gained popularity.

I'm going to assume you equate the gospel of the kingdom with the leaven, so if this parable is the reason the gospel of the kingdom has gained popularity then why is it that there are very few kingdom believers left any more? If this was the leaven then we should see thousands upon thousands.

 

[James_Newman]

Thanks! This is actually an excellent explanation as to why ME has gained popularity. That and the parable of the mustard seed.

And indeed it will continue to grow, particularly as persecution arises because believers who are suffering for Christ can really get hold of promises that rich lazy Christians like us have trouble getting our fat stubby fingers around.

 

[James_Newman]

I'm going to assume you equate the gospel of the kingdom with the leaven, so if this parable is the reason the gospel of the kingdom has gained popularity then why is it that there are very few kingdom believers left any more? If this was the leaven then we should see thousands upon thousands.

I suspect there are thousands, they are just hidden in the meal. Certainly I know tenfold more believers in ME than I did when I first believed it.

 

[npetreley]

I suspect there are thousands, they are just hidden in the meal. Certainly I know tenfold more believers in ME than I did when I first believed it.

Well, I have to say we agree 100% on this. I'd say the growth of free-willism, ME, legalism, and a few more isms are portrayed quite accurately by the parables of the leaven and the mustard seed.

 

[TCGreek]

The Kingdom will come.
The Kingdom is among us.

God is three.
God is one.

God is soverign.
Man has free will.

Jesus is God.
Jesus is man.

Believers are saved.
Believers are being saved.
Believers will be saved.

Light is particle.
Light is wave.

I believe the simplicity yet profundity of your above both/and has been lost upon most people I know.

 

[skypair]

1. Is it safe to conclude from passages like Col.1:13; Rev. 1:5, 6; Rom 5:17 to affirm that believers are now reigning with Christ in His kingdom?

2. I understand Matt.13 to be referring to the Mystery form of the Kingdom, which we are now part of.

Thanks, TC. Wonderful questions!

He REIGNS and we reign with Him! He has "raised us up to heavenly places in Christ Jesus." We are "strangers" here and citizens above. We are "ambassadors" of the kingdom above as though we would reconcile men to God. What does all this mean?

When we believed on Christ, our souls were considered to be seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Remember what Christ said about prayer? Whatsoever you ask in My name, ye shall have it? That shows that we are already seated on His throne and, through Him, giving the orders on His authority. Have you ever experienced this?

Has it ever occurred to you that, but for the believers living in America, we'd not be the blessed nation that we are? Our "kingdom" has influenced America and every other nation for good.

"Mystery kingdom?" Yes. We're in the "mystery phase" called "mustard seed." We can see how it has grown and taken in evil "birds," can't we? Interesting that Jesus told His disciples, "If you had faith of a mustard seed [OF A CHRISTIAN, right?], you would say to this mountain..." And now they have and we do, too!

The woman and the leaven is NOT a good comparison. This prefigures the tribulation where evil will be mixed by Satan, AC, and fp (3 measures) into the meal and leaven the whole earth! Following this come the judgments at Christ's return beginning with angels removing the tares and gathering the wheat to Jesus!

skypair