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Are Christians in Trouble Spiritually?
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You do realize that ONLY Jesus was able to fully keep the Law, correct? so all others would be still lost under your system!No, you're under no obligation to keep anything until you join in covenant with the Father.
If you do, then you are engrafted into Israel to whom the promises and the commandments are given. You are then obligated to keep the whole of torah. Every Word from the Father's mouth.
The Father has told us that we are saved by Grace alone faith alone correct?How do you obey the Father without listening to His words (found in the OT)?
Do you see how this makes no sense?
The old covenant was also about grace. They didn't deserve all of His works and wonders.
The new covenant gives us better promises to help us keep the torah. In fact He will write it on our minds (so we know it) and our hearts (so we love it).
Yes. But we are saved unto good works (obedience). How else would we remain pure?The Father has told us that we are saved by Grace alone faith alone correct?
Jas 2:20 But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the belief without the works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the altar?
Jas 2:22 Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?
James was referring to one already saved By god, whose good works showed that reality off, NOT that good works was aprt of saving him!Jas 2:20 But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the belief without the works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the altar?
Jas 2:22 Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?
We are saved by joining into covenant with the Father. We trust in His promises and act out our belief by obeying His decrees.James was referring to one already saved By god, whose good works showed that reality off, NOT that good works was aprt of saving him!
How do we get into covenant with the father?We are saved by joining into covenant with the Father. We trust in His promises and act out our belief by obeying His decrees.
Accept his terms, accept His messiah's redemptive work (repurchasing what was lost). We do our part (trust and obey) and he does His part (Make us part of His family)How do we get into covenant with the father?
That is SDAism; not for me, thanks.Accept his terms, accept His messiah's redemptive work (repurchasing what was lost). We do our part (trust and obey) and he does His part (Make us part of His family)
Saved by faith alone grace alone then?Accept his terms, accept His messiah's redemptive work (repurchasing what was lost). We do our part (trust and obey) and he does His part (Make us part of His family)
God sovereignly chose us before the foundation of the world without any of us having had to first choose or accept or whatever conditional nonsense.How do we get into covenant with the father?
No strings attached, not seeing if we kept the Sabbath day, ate right foods etc!God sovereignly chose us before the foundation of the world without any of us having had to first choose or accept or whatever conditional nonsense.
No strings attached, not seeing if we kept the Sabbath day, ate right foods etc!
Ja. Or spelled 'Jesus', <Yeshua>.
Oooh, there is some false teaching for you.God sovereignly chose us before the foundation of the world without any of us having had to first choose or accept or whatever conditional nonsense.
What is the point of all of this then if everything is already predetermined? WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT NOW, WOOHOO.
Oooh, there is some false teaching for you.
What is the point of all of this then if everything is already predetermined? WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT NOW, WOOHOO.
Our salvation was predestined, and God also just predestined our good works !Oooh, there is some false teaching for you.
What is the point of all of this then if everything is already predetermined? WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT NOW, WOOHOO.
Oooh, there is some false teaching for you.
What is the point of all of this then if everything is already predetermined? WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT NOW, WOOHOO.
We can only do what we want; you're right. And we can only want what we want prevented not and provided God not grace against our will.
Lets hope you're predestined to keep the 7th day sabbath, refrain from unclean meats, refrain from sexual sins, and keep the rest of His Words. It is His desireOur salvation was predestined, and God also just predestined our good works !
Lets hope you're predestined to keep the 7th day sabbath, refrain from unclean meats, refrain from sexual sins, and keep the rest of His Words. It is His desire
Not even your sarcasm can change God's predestination not only of, but also for, his elect.
Amen to Yeshua, <<Our salvation was predestined, and God also just predestined our good works!>>
Sin we would have sinned however and in any case, so I also believe, Our salvation was predestined, and God also predestined which sins we would commit. Yea, herein have I, experienced the greatness of God's love especially. It taught me Christ's mercies are greater than the greatest of sins and sinners. Therefore I am saved by indeed the grace of God. God predestined my sins for to teach me his salvation!
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Talk about heresy. Are you a robot?Not even your sarcasm can change God's predestination not only of, but also for, his elect.
Amen to Yeshua, <<Our salvation was predestined, and God also just predestined our good works!>>
Sin we would have sinned however and in any case, so I also believe, Our salvation was predestined, and God also predestined which sins we would commit. Yea, herein have I, experienced the greatness of God's love especially. It taught me Christ's mercies are greater than the greatest of sins and sinners. Therefore I am saved by indeed the grace of God. God predestined my sins for to teach me his salvation!
Would only apply towards secual sinning, as the Sabbath on sat and the dietary.civil laws been fulfilled at Calvary, and no longer binding on us in Christ!Lets hope you're predestined to keep the 7th day sabbath, refrain from unclean meats, refrain from sexual sins, and keep the rest of His Words. It is His desire
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