Are Confessions of Faith biblical? Should Churches use them?

[AustinC]

Aren't you a smart one? then you prove it with scripture. If you can.
MB

You make the bluster, you need to prove your doctrine.

Shall I re-copy the creeds that Iconoclast provided you...full of scripture passages...so you can see the proof of scripture?

Mikey has also accurately called you out that as soon as you present scripture and explain its meaning, you are declaring your statement of faith. Anyone reading this thread can see you are trapped in your argument and thus make unsubstantive blustering comments with no scripture and no comment on scripture as your empty exit point from this discussion. You have been badly beaten in the argument and yet your pride won't let you leave without some bluster. Better for you to remain silent and just leave the thread.

 

[MB]

You make the bluster, you need to prove your doctrine.

Shall I re-copy the creeds that Iconoclast provided you...full of scripture passages...so you can see the proof of scripture?

Mikey has also accurately called you out that as soon as you present scripture and explain its meaning, you are declaring your statement of faith. Anyone reading this thread can see you are trapped in your argument and thus make unsubstantive blustering comments with no scripture and no comment on scripture as your empty exit point from this discussion. You have been badly beaten in the argument and yet your pride won't let you leave without some bluster. Better for you to remain silent and just leave the thread.

The loosing side is always bragging of what they are unable to obtain. not only is your doctrine false even you are dishonest.
MB

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Six Hour Warning
This thread will be closed sometime after 4 PM Pacific.

 

[1689Dave]

Is the Westminster Confession inspired by God? Praying and fasting does not prove it to be God inspired nor, does it prove what they believe to be true. IMHO the only thing it does is ward off those who do not believe the same. Of course it does endorse the belief of those who do.
Not that it's statement is scriptural.
MB

Compare it to today's dingbat bible teachers if you dare. It's like comparing gold to cement dust.

 

[MB]

Compare it to today's dingbat bible teachers if you dare. It's like comparing gold to cement dust.

Do you mean like James White he seems to give a different story from somewhere else.
MB

 

[1689Dave]

Do you mean like James White he seems to give a different story from somewhere else.
MB

Name any of your favorite teachers and see how they stack up. This was 10 years of debates to arrive at what the bible actually says. They didn't just "wing it" but carefully constructed precise statements on many leading topics.

 

[Yeshua1]

LOL, you have lost it with this post. You have bluster with no substance.

MB seems to be the disciple of Mr Finney!

 

[Yeshua1]

Do you mean like James White he seems to give a different story from somewhere else.
MB

Compare the 1689 Confession to Modern day Blab it and grab it!

 

[Jerome]

It took about 10 years of meetings of hundreds of theologians, including days off for prayer and fasting to pen the Westminster Confession.

Not true.
about 10 years to pen the Confession? No.
hundreds of theologians? No.

 

[1689Dave]

Not true.
about 10 years to pen the Confession? No.
hundreds of theologians? No.

So you are calling me a liar? Have you invested in a study on the matter?

This is close enough for me. Westminster Assembly | Simply Put

 

[AustinC]

The loosing side is always bragging of what they are unable to obtain. not only is your doctrine false even you are dishonest.
MB

You have spent the thread bragging about yourself, yet providing no evidence. The dishonesty is all yours.

 

[1689Dave]

In 1643, the English Parliament called upon "learned, godly and judicious Divines" to meet at Westminster Abbey in order to provide advice on issues of worship, doctrine, government and discipline of the Church of England. Assembly were satisfied with the Confession of Faith, and in 1646,

I coulld not find any information that supports the view that the confession took 10 years to write. Do you have any links?

Westminster Assembly | Simply Put

 

[Mikey]

Westminster Assembly | Simply Put

Thanks, I just saw your edit of your original post.

 

[Mikey]

Westminster Assembly | Simply Put

Interesting website.

The Westminster Confession of Faith was adopted in 1647 by the Church of Scotland. 1643 to 1647 is about 4 years. And obviously to be adopted, it must exist.


"The Confession of Faith Agreed upon by the Assembly of Divines at Westminster, with the assistance of Commissioners from the Church of Scotland, as a part of the Covenanted Uniformity in Religion betwixt the Churches of Christ in the kingdoms of Scotland, England, and Ireland. Approved by the General Assembly 1647, and ratified and established by Acts of Parliament 1649 and 1690, as the public and avowed Confession of the Church of Scotland, with the proofs from the Scripture."
- The Westminster Confession of Faith – Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland

 

[rlvaughn]

English Parliament called upon "learned, godly and judicious Divines" to meet at Westminster Abbey in order to provide advice on issues of worship, doctrine, government and discipline of the Church of England. Assembly were satisfied with the Confession of Faith, and in 1646,

I could not find any information that supports the view that the confession took 10 years to write. Do you have any links?

Westminster Assembly | Simply Put

The link points out that the assembly first met in 1643, that is lasted officially until 1649, and that it continued to meet occasionally until 1652. This is a course of almost ten years. However, the original text of the Westminster Confession itself was completed by 1646 (about 3 years). In 1647 the Larger and Shorter Catechisms were completed. The Confession was adopted by the Church of Scotland in 1647, in part by the English parliament in 1648, and by the Scottish parliament in 1649.
Reformation History
Westminster Confession | religion

 

[Mikey]

The link points out that the assembly first met in 1643, that is lasted officially until 1649, and that it continued to meet occasionally until 1652. This is a course of almost ten years. However, the original text of the Westminster Confession itself was completed by 1646 (about 3 years). In 1647 the Larger and Shorter Catechisms were completed. The Confession was adopted by the Church of Scotland in 1647, in part by the English parliament in 1648, and by the Scottish parliament in 1649.
Reformation History
Westminster Confession | religion

Seems we came across the same information.

 

[rlvaughn]

Since the thread will be closed soon, I want to try to summarize my view that a confession of faith can be a good thing as long as it is not allowed to supersede the word of God.

To begin with, we confess our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 10:9-10). It is important that we confess that Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 4:15), that he came in the flesh (1 John 4:2), and that he is Lord (Philippians 2:11). We ought to be ready to give an answer for our hope (1 Peter 3:15), and hold fast the profession of our faith (Hebrews 10:23). We should be set for the defence of the gospel (Philippians 1:17) and earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints (Jude 1:3). Certainly much of this begins by confessing and speaking with the mouth, but there is no need to be ashamed to put it in writing if we hold it fast (2 Timothy 2:15). If two or more agree, there is no shame in them professing that agreement. And it can be informational and useful.

In the end, we must take care that a confession or statement of our faith does not become a human tradition that binds us to an error and makes void the word of God (Matthew 15:3–9) -- realizing it is the inspired word of God that is complete and without error (2 Timothy 3:16-17). If a confession is beginning to have that kind of grip on us, we must be like Hezekiah, breaking it in pieces and calling it “Nehushtan”.

 

[rlvaughn]

Seems we came across the same information.

And at almost the same time!

 

[1689Dave]

Interesting website.

The Westminster Confession of Faith was adopted in 1647 by the Church of Scotland. 1643 to 1647 is about 4 years. And obviously to be adopted, it must exist.


"The Confession of Faith Agreed upon by the Assembly of Divines at Westminster, with the assistance of Commissioners from the Church of Scotland, as a part of the Covenanted Uniformity in Religion betwixt the Churches of Christ in the kingdoms of Scotland, England, and Ireland. Approved by the General Assembly 1647, and ratified and established by Acts of Parliament 1649 and 1690, as the public and avowed Confession of the Church of Scotland, with the proofs from the Scripture."
- The Westminster Confession of Faith – Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland

What's your point?

 

[Mikey]

It took about 10 years of meetings of hundreds of theologians, including days off for prayer and fasting to pen the Westminster Confession. Even then the Baptists found slight room for improvement. How much sense does it make to overlook the creeds in favor of ignoring them?

What's your point?

That it didn't take 10 years to write the Westminster Confession of Faith, like you said.