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Are Confessions of Faith biblical? Should Churches use them?
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SavedByGrace
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it is a personal choice. Not for myself
SavedByGrace
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typical reformed avioding the question. I ask again, WHERE in the 66 Books of the Bible, does it say, that "God was PLEASED to permit the fall". Just ONE verse will do, not theology, or what it might or should mean. I wait...
Yes, His death was sufficient to save all lost sinners, but effectual only towards those whom Good intended to get saved by it!
SavedByGrace
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The WCF says:
1. Our first parents, being seduced by the subtilty and temptation of Satan, sinned in eating the forbidden fruit.a This their sin God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory.
aGen 3:13; 2 Cor 11:3. bRom 11:32.
What complete and utter RUBBISH!!! Not only was God PLEASED to permit humans to sin against Him, but He also ORDERED IT TO HIS OWN GLORY!!!
This is BLASPHEMY!
1. Our first parents, being seduced by the subtilty and temptation of Satan, sinned in eating the forbidden fruit.a This their sin God was pleased, according to His wise and holy counsel, to permit, having purposed to order it to His own glory.
aGen 3:13; 2 Cor 11:3. bRom 11:32.
What complete and utter RUBBISH!!! Not only was God PLEASED to permit humans to sin against Him, but He also ORDERED IT TO HIS OWN GLORY!!!
This is BLASPHEMY!
SavedByGrace
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different subject, lets stick with the OP
We agree, as being baptists we have the right to use or reject them for ourselves, but cannot decide for others are to view this!
SavedByGrace
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the two "confessions" that I have quoted, show how DANGEROUS these can be! They are actually teaching what the Bible does NOT!
I take it that you mean you have not used a confession adopted by a church, association, something like that. Is that correct? In this thread alone you have made at least the following confessions of faith:
- the Bible which Teaches that The Three Persons are equally YHWH
- The Holy Bible, in its 66 Books, in the Original Autographs, IS ALONE THE Infallible, Inerrant, God-breathed, Word of Almighty God
- I do NOT believe in universal salvation
- the death of Jesus Christ is universal, and those who "repent and believe" will be saved
As I understand it, and the originator of the thread may correct me if I am wrong, the subject of the OP is about whether or not having a confession of faith is a valid principle, not whether any particular confession of faith is scriptural.
You do not really understand what they are teaching, and I do have issues myself with certain areas on the WCF!
SavedByGrace
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I have given what I personally believe from what I see the Bible teaches. It is not a "confession", but statements of facts, as I see them. "Confessions" are documents that reflect the teachings of a denomination, faith group or Church/Bible school...
Mikey
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there are plenty of confessions that are not reformed. Reformed has nothing to do with statements of Faith.
How is it lazy to thoughtfully write out the beliefs and doctrines which they/church believe and hold to? Everyone has a confession of faith which they hold, including you, even if you won't admit it.
SavedByGrace
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if you say so, I still wait for the Bible verse on God being PLEASED by humans sinning against him. I will accept this on the evidence of just ONE verse!
SavedByGrace
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I said that it is lazy for Christians to use these "creeds/confessions" for their theology, and not turn to the Bible itself. I have shown the danger of these "confessions", where the language used is very much against what the Bible teaches, and yet there are some who will continue to try and defend them!
Mikey
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Correct.
SavedByGrace
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then WHY have one as Christians, if they are not Scriptural? It makes no sense at all
Statement of belief would be just someone confessing what they see the Bible affirming and teaching!
They are NOT anti scriptural!
Confessions do not have to be by a denomination, school, etc. A confession can be personal -- what you believe. One definition of confess is to declare one's religious faith or belief, or as you say, "I have given what I personally believe."
If you don't get it, I am not sure I can explain it to you. Obviously, the people who make the confessions think they are biblical. Yet, for example, Calvinists think Arminian confessions are unscriptural, while Arminians think they are scriptural. Arminians think Calvinist confessions are unscriptural, while Calvinists think they are scriptural. The question is, is it wrong for people or groups to confess what they believe from what the Bible teaches?
SavedByGrace
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# 45 IS!
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