Are Democrats Less Patriotic than Republicans

Hmm... I happen to live out here and spend a good amount of time in San Francisco or dealing with people from the Bay Area, so good thing you aren't questioning my experience. Even when I "hung" out with the Liberal crowd, the motivating factor for *everything* was a hatred of something. A hatred for our parent's values, a hatred for mainstream society not "accepting" us, a hatred for the "sheep" not seeing what our professors were "enlightening" us about (umm... indoctrinating). It all seemed to be based on this desire for eliteness and rebellion, or to be more enlightened or educated than those "simple" people. So, maybe these talk-show people are actually basing their stereotypes on something valid and the people you are encountering are detecting your liberalism and being gracious hosts. Try an experiment sometime and wear a shirt with a US flag on it (a definite Conservative "outing" in CA.)

Personally, I'm MUCH happier now that I'm a "simple" person. Always trying to be intellectually superior to everyone really got tiring, and now I can respect (and love) a farmer, a department store worker, or a common laborer (even if they aren't Union.) Not to mention, my "simple" Christian Conservative friends are soooo much nicer than any of my Liberal acquaintances (sorry, don't know any Christian Liberals out here... every Liberal I know is either a Unitarian, or un-churched.)

Luckily I woke up in time to say "I only voted for Clinton the first time."

Funny thing is (and back on topic) is when we went to view fireworks up above the lake, I didn't see any Subarus, or no "No W" or Kerry stickers up there (yep, Kerry stickers are still prominently displayed on Suburas all over California like a 60's hippie still wearing a Che shirt.) All I saw were families in pickup trucks, and we ended up meeting a preacher from the local Baptist Church. Patriotism is VERY unbecoming in California for good Liberals.

 

Yea every time a conservative says something they only could have possibly gotten it from someone else.

The similarity in statements couldnt possibly be because we hold to the same values. I suppose BIR if you can suggest that statements are only made because we heard it from somewhere else then somehow it has less validity?

Is that the defense you really wnat to make. It certainly doesn't address the points made just spins the conversation into a new direction. Certainly a good tactic but no substance.

 

From your study of the Bible would you say that the Lord Jesus Christ was a conservative or a liberal? Perhaps you can use this question has a miror.

 

Like I said, my experience differs from yours.

That is quite an interesting point. One point worth noting is that I didn't always identify myself as a like-minded leftie to these people in question.
I did smile at your experiment though, and I really needed that. On the same note, try coming to Virginia and driving with a bumper sticker perceived as anti-Bush. You will get the same result.

First of all, I am delighted to hear that you are happy. In the grand scheme of all things secular (politics included), it is nice to know that a fellow Believer has found happiness.
As for your observation that "every Liberal [you] know is either a Uniterian or un-churched," I have a very different experience. I have met Liberals from all walks of life.

Point taken - just as I woke up in time to say that I voted for Bush the first time, even though I voted for Reagan, Bush, and Dole in the previous elections.

Patriotism is found on both sides of the political aisle here in the Commonwealth. As a matter of fact, I would say the same for Florida (where I am currently sitting as I type this).

Best Wishes,
BiR

 

Well, this wasn't really directed at you, Revmitchell, but I am flattered that you took time to add your opinion to the discussion. Please show me where I utilized the phrase "every time."

Similarity? You're kidding, right? As I clearly stated in my post, several times the comments have been VERBATIM to what I hear from Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity every day. I find it absolutely hilarious that the people who offer these comments VERBATIM will usually vehemently deny that they listen to Rush or Sean.

Secondly, your comment that I am suggesting that "the statements are only made because we heard it from somewhere else" is intellectually dishonest, as I have never made this statement. Feel free to find where I claimed that they were "only made" because they were heard elsewhere. Remember: this is an anonymous electronic forum - don't make the mistake of simply deducing something that is not or has not been clearly stated.

As you have challenged me here, perhaps you can show me where I ever made the claim you allege. Once you can produce a date and time where I made such a charge, I will defend it. Hey: you made the accusation. It is up to you to either prove what you allege or admit that I never wrote what you claim.

Come on Revmitchell: you're better than this.......

Regards, and know that I am still praying for you and your church daily,
BiR

 

Again, carpro - I am curious: are you taking credit for this particular quote? Or are you quoting someone?

 

As a national party, decidedly so. A patriot would not work hard to destroy our nation simply because they hate the current president. Nor would a patriot go along with their parties waywardness.

 

A lot of chicken hawk Republicans

Prominent Republicans

• Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert did not serve.
• Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey did not serve.
• Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - did not serve (1).
• House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve
• Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve.
• Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve (1)
• Rick Santorum, R-PA, - did not serve. (1)
• George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - did not serve. (1)
• Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - did not serve.
• GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh?
• VP Cheney - several deferments (1, 2), the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") (1)
• Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve (1, 2);
• Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. (1)
• Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican.
• Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve (1, 2)
• Phil Gramm - avoided the draft, did not serve, four (?) student deferments

Senator Richard Shelby, did not serve (1)
Senator Jon Kyl, R-AZ - did not serve (1, 2)
Senator John Cornyn, R-TX - did not serve. (1)
Senator Tim Hutchison, R-AR - did not serve (1, 2)
Rep. Christopher Cox, R-CA, did not serve. (1)
Rep. John T. Doolittle, R-CA, - did not serve.
Representative Saxby Chambliss, Georgia - did not serve Former Representative JC Watts - did not serve (1, 2)
Jack Kemp, did not serve (1, 2)
Eliot Abrams, did not serve (1, 2) (Paul Wolfowitz, did not serve (1, 2)
Former Representative Vin Weber, did not serve (1, 2)
Richard Perle, did not serve (1, 2)
Douglas Feith, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy - did not serve. (1)
Rudy Giuliani, did not serve (1, 2)
George Pataki, did not serve (1, 2)
Spencer Abraham, did not serve
John Engler, did not serve (1, 2)

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-CA, did not serve (1)
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA/49th, there were some problems with his service.
Rep. John M. McHugh, R-NY - avoided the draft, did not serve (1)
Rep. Todd Platts, R-PA - did not serve (1)

• George Will, did not serve
• Chris Matthews, Mediawhore, did not serve.
• Bill O'Reilly, did not serve
• Paul Gigot, did not serve.
• Bill Bennett, Did not serve
• Pat Buchanan, did not serve
• Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst' [see "The Rush Limbaugh Story" by Paul D. Colford, St. Martin's Press, 1993, Chapter 2: Beating the Draft.])
• Michael Savage - did not serve, John Wayne, did not serve
• Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer."
• Bill Kristol, did not serve
• Sean Hannity, did not serve.
• Kenneth Starr, did not serve
• Antonin Scalia, did not serve
• Clarence Thomas, did not serve
• Ralph Reed, did not serve
• Michael Medved, did not serve
• Charlie Daniels, did not serve
• Ted Nugent, did not serve
• Country Singer Toby Keith, did not serve. (1)
• Radio Host Phil Hendrie, did not serve.

 

Bald assertions! Evidence for the Democratic Party trying to destroy the nation. Most don't hate the President, they dislike his policies. As for blindly following the party line, the current crop of GOP are a guilty as anyone on that.

The nation was founded on dissent. Dissent is patriotic. Blindly following a politician of any party is ignorant and counterproductive to a democratic republic.

 

You are entitled to your opinion, but even I, who can't stand the man, do not hate him. I hate what he is doing to my country and our constitutional liberties, but I care about him as a person. He just doesn't belong in the White House. It seems vitriol is rampant by the opposition, regardless of who is in power. People still rag on President Clinton, and he has been out of office for almost 6 years. It goes both ways, and has no bearing on love of country.

 

Really now? Selective memory is a sad thing to see. You are blinded by your partisanship.

 

Like duh? Selective service is a BAD thing to run from . . .

Now, if we were to use partisanship we might call him a felon and not just the only president to dodge the draft . . .

Funny that they gave George a difficult time for SERVING (maybe badly). . .

Now the question is who are THEY that forget Bill dodging & George serving?

Just who are they? I want to know.

 

Carpro, I am not going to go on a tit-for-tat quote search with you. Unless you were asleep during the late 1990s, you know full well all the personal attacks on Pres. Clinton. The worst of all was the shameful video sold by Jerry Falwell accusing the President of being involved in the deaths of a whole litany of people, including Ron Brown, Vince Foster, and others. This became the widely circulated "Clinton Hit List", which has been thoroughly debunked.


If you are so polarized and partisan as to believe that the GOP did not do character assasination on the last Democratic president, you are beyond holding a rational discussion with.