Are Gods Elect ever the workers of iniquity ?

[Brightfame52]

Ps 5:5

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.


Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Are those God Loves, Christ died for, workers of iniquity before God ? The answer is absolutely NO.

Yes naturally speaking, those God Loves and Christ died for are by nature sinners, even the very worst of sinners, however they are not the workers of iniquity that God hates and those whom Christ will eventually say to them " I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

See those sinners God Loves, He Loves them inspite of themselves Rom 5:8

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Now thats quite different from God hating the workers of iniquity.

See the sinners God Loves, and Christ died for, God does not impute their iniquity/sins upon them Ps 32:2

Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Rom 4:8

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

However those whom God hates, and calls them worker of iniquity is Gods way of saying your iniquties are charged upon you. They are still accountable before God for all their iniquties.

Christ was never for them Isa 53:5,11

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

So God doesn't impute them with iniquity, nor designate them workers of iniquity whom He hates !

 

[JonC]

It is by our work that we are known. Many will say to Jesus "Lord, Lord, didn't I . . . "

The verse (Matthew 7:23) should be a caution to us all. It is a hard truth. These people profess Christ as Lord. They do good works. They teach others, proclaim the gospel, feed the poor. They have works. They believe they are saved and on good terms with God.
But their works are iniquities. Their works are products of themselves, not of Christ. They do "good" things but of their own according. They are "in the drivers seat".

And although they believe they are safe they will hear "I never knew you".

 

[37818]

It is by our work that we are known. Many will say to Jesus "Lord, Lord, didn't I . . . "

The verse (Matthew 7:23) should be a caution to us all. It is a hard truth. These people profess Christ as Lord. They do good works. They teach others, proclaim the gospel, feed the poor. They have works. They believe they are saved and on good terms with God.
But their works are iniquities. Their works are products of themselves, not of Christ. They do "good" things but of their own according. They are "in the drivers seat".

And although they believe they are safe they will hear "I never knew you".

There are two keys to.Matthew 7:21-23.
1) . . . but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
2) And not . . . Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not . . . . Trusting in one's deeds

 

[JonC]

There are two keys to.Matthew 7:21-23.
1) . . . but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
2) And not . . . Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not . . . . Trusting in one's deeds

Yep. They (those who cry "Lord, Lord, didn't we..." are relying on their works.

 

[JD731]

There are two keys to.Matthew 7:21-23.
1) . . . but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
2) And not . . . Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not . . . . Trusting in one's deeds

1. The key to understanding is to recognize that this is said in the OT economy to Jews
2. The key locator is "in that day."
3. It is in the sermon on the mount which spans 3 chapters 5-7.
4. The gospel that is being preached here is "the gospel of the kingdom"
5. The requirement of the gospel of the kingdom is to repent and believe the gospel
6. "in that day" is in the scriptures (the KJV) 112 times
7 it is 105 times in the OT
8 It is in the NT 7 times
9. The Jews, unlike the Christians, knew fully what day Jesus was referencing
10 It was a day of judgement
11. Hence, in that day the Jews will be defending themselves upon their condemnation
12 The "day of the LORD" is in the scriptures a total of 30 times in 29 verses
13. It is found in 17 different Bible books
14. Twelve different prophets wrote about this day using this terminology
15. The day of the LORD is the day the phrase "that day" is referencing.
16. The Day of the LORD is not a twenty four hour day
17. The Day of the LORD is one thousand years long.
18. The Day of the Lord begins like all Jewish Days.
19. The evening and the morning begin the day
20. It is dark at the beginning of the Day of the LORD
21. This day of the LORD in immediate context, is by every prophet that wrote of it. in the future tense
22.It is darkness and not light in the world in every instance
23. It is the vengeance of God against the nations who have persecuted Israel
24. It is the baptism of fire that will purge Israel of her rebels and the nations of her sinners
25. There will be few men left on the earth when the night gives way to the light
26. The light comes with the second coming of Jesus Christ
27. Since the day of the LORD was introduced in the canon, almost 3000 years have passed.
28. The day of the LORD remains a future event but it is very near.
29. The church will be judged in heaven at the judgement seat of Christ in this, the day of the Lord Jesus.
30 No fear for Christians who will be judged for rewards or loss of rewards based on their deeds

This "day of the LORD" is the reference here in this verse in Acts 17;

Ac 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

John saw this day come in a vision and it is the first and only time it is referenced in the present tense;

Re 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The day of the LORD is one of the four major prophetic themes in the KJV Bible.

May the Lord be pleased with my handling of this great doctrinal theme and may it help the light to shine through darkness for some.

I almost forgot this major point. The 30th verse for this designation "day of the Lord" in in the Revelation where John said he was on the isle of Patmos, "on the Lord's day." The number 30 is God's number for maturity.

 

[MrW]

It is by our work that we are known. Many will say to Jesus "Lord, Lord, didn't I . . . "

The verse (Matthew 7:23) should be a caution to us all. It is a hard truth. These people profess Christ as Lord. They do good works. They teach others, proclaim the gospel, feed the poor. They have works. They believe they are saved and on good terms with God.
But their works are iniquities. Their works are products of themselves, not of Christ. They do "good" things but of their own according. They are "in the drivers seat".

And although they believe they are safe they will hear "I never knew you".

Why did Christ never know them? The answer is, because they never believed to the point of being born again. Instead, they depended on their good works to get them into God’s Kingdom.

 

[JD731]

Ps 5:5

5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.


Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Are those God Loves, Christ died for, workers of iniquity before God ? The answer is absolutely NO.

Yes naturally speaking, those God Loves and Christ died for are by nature sinners, even the very worst of sinners, however they are not the workers of iniquity that God hates and those whom Christ will eventually say to them " I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

See those sinners God Loves, He Loves them inspite of themselves Rom 5:8

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Now thats quite different from God hating the workers of iniquity.

See the sinners God Loves, and Christ died for, God does not impute their iniquity/sins upon them Ps 32:2

Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

Rom 4:8

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

However those whom God hates, and calls them worker of iniquity is Gods way of saying your iniquties are charged upon you. They are still accountable before God for all their iniquties.

Christ was never for them Isa 53:5,11

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

So God doesn't impute them with iniquity, nor designate them workers of iniquity whom He hates !

God's hatred is not the same as yours when it comes to people. God is love and if he is really love, how can he hate as we define it. It means simply that he loves less. For instance, God loved Jacob and hated Esau. It only means that he loved Esau less than he loved Jacob. He reconciled the world to himself while every person in it were sinners. He did it by taking away the source of the separation, sin. Now, God is not angry at any sinner while they live, but beware, it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgement. The word from God is that he is reconciled to all sinners by the substitutionary death of Jesus Christ his son, and is no longer angry at any of us, and any who will be reconciled to him, let him come in Jesus name, and they will be pardoned on his merits, because he has risen from the dead and will vouch for you to God the Judge of all the earth.

This is how simple it is.

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[Brightfame52]

Those sinners Christ died for, gave Himself for, which are His Sheep, they arent the workers of iniquity because He hath redeemed them from all iniquity Titus 2:14

14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 

[JD731]

Those sinners Christ died for, gave Himself for, which are His Sheep, they arent the workers of iniquity because He hath redeemed them from all iniquity Titus 2:14

14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

When?

Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world (age) hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Your doctrine is slated to perish from the earth in the great tribulation which is to come because it has missed the point.

 

[KenH]

God's hatred is not the same as yours when it comes to people.

God's hatred is based on His righteousness. Our hatred is usually based on personal emotions and personal grievance and personal pride.

 

[JD731]

God's hatred is based on righteousness. Our hatred is usually based on personal emotions and personal grievance and personal pride.

God's anger is controlled and scheduled and pointed and dispensational.

His judgement is a strange work for him.

Isaiah 28:21
For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

 

[KenH]

"But since the biblical doctrine of reprobation and God’s hatred is offensive to moderate Calvinists, they will try desperately to remove the offense of God’s eternal purpose of election by positing one of the following unbiblical views:

God actively chose the elect for salvation, but He only passively reprobated the wicked, meaning He only permitted, allowed, or let reprobation take place.

God reprobated the wicked because He foresaw in eternity who would reject Him.

God reprobated the wicked because they rejected Him.

Reprobates harden themselves because God allowed it.

God passively reprobated the wicked, but desires to redeem reprobates, loves reprobates, gives common grace to reprobates,
and offers salvation to reprobates.

God hated Esau in Romans 9:13, but the word hate means to love less, or God simultaneously loved and hated Esau.

...

Romans 9:13 does not say that Esau was “loved less,” but hated, and it certainly does not indicate that Esau was simultaneously loved and hated by God. This text explicitly says, “…Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.”

As a disclaimer, the Bible doesn’t teach that God loves the non-elect; it states that God “…hatest all workers of iniquity” (Psalm 5:5, emphasis mine). And the Word of God never teaches that God hated the elect; Scripture teaches that God eternally loved the elect before the creation of the world ( Ephesians 1:3-6 )."

- from Sonny Hernandez, Biblical Reprobation: A primer on the most hated and neglected doctrine

 

[37818]

Why did Christ never know them?

They once of age, were never saved.

 

[KenH]

Why did Christ never know them?

Because God had reprobated them before the world began. They were never given to Christ for Him to be their Surety.

 

[Brightfame52]

So to say the those Christ died for are workers of iniquity, that would go against the accomplishment of Christs sacrificial death which redeemed them He died for from all iniquity Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Therefore, even though the elect are naturally sinners like all others, since Christ died for them and redeemed them from all iniquity, therefore God seeth [in a way of condemnation] no sin in them, for Christs sake.

Also see Numbers 23:21

He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: the Lord his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them.

 

[MrW]

Because God had reprobated them before the world began. They were never given to Christ for Him to be their Surety.

I don’t believe that. That would absolve them of any responsibility.

John 3:18-20.

 

[KenH]

That would absolve them of any responsibility.

No, it does not. They are still the ones who actually sin.

 

[Brightfame52]

Though Gods Elect are by nature sinners like other folks, unlike the non elect,they have through Christ and for His name sake been forgiven all their trespassing Col 2:13;Eph 4:32 and so again God does not charge the elect with their iniquity as He does the non elect.1

 

[MrW]

No, it does not. They are still the ones who actually sin.

Only because God (in your mind) reprobated them, and thus made them not responsible.

 

[Brightfame52]

Only because God (in your mind) reprobated them, and thus made them not responsible.

Man failed his responsivity in Adam to be obedient. So hes born a guilty sinner Rom 3:9-19

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.