LOL, that's amazing! Why would you defend the Calvinist theology?
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Are Gods Elect ever the workers of iniquity ?
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LOL, that's amazing! Why would you defend the Calvinist theology?
It's true that Paul said our salvation is not complete until the resurrection. We have been given a down-payment on salvation by receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit.
But John ensured us that we can have confidence that we are saved now in this life.
Now that I know your not a Calvinist, I'm wondering why I'm having this conversation.
KenH
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Absolutely. All of God's elect should have such confidence.
KenH
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Folks such as yourself keep calling what I post "Calvinism". As far I am concerned, I am defending what the Bible teaches, not Calvinism.
I am relatively new here and yet to learn what everyone believes.
But if I have offended you by calling your theology Calvinist theology, them I certainly apologize!
I can usually spot the Calvinists in just a few posts. But I'm human and I make mistakes.
But you must bear in mind, on any of the websites if you teach any of the 5pts. other than "T" you will be labeled a Calvinist. You may not be one, but others will definitely believe you are.
KenH
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No problem. We humans like to lump folks, or even ourselves, into some moniker that we more easily use in conversation.
In the entry in Wikipedia on Reformed Baptists, part of it says,
' Sovereign Grace Baptists in the broadest sense are any "Calvinistic" Baptists that accept God's sovereign grace in salvation and predestination. In the narrower sense, certain churches and groups have preferred "Sovereign Grace" in their name, rather than using the terms "Calvinism", "Calvinist", or "Reformed Baptist". '
It also says,
"Groups calling themselves "Sovereign Grace Baptists" have been particularly influenced by the writings of John Gill in the 18th century."
The article also mentions Henry T. Mahan, the preacher from whom my pastor heard the gospel.
Yes, that's the undesirable part, being shoved in our boxes.
But the good news is that we are justified in Christ by faith. We can all be wrong in doctrine but if we understand Christ's sacrifice and the faith needed in that sacrifice, we're going to be just fine.
Brightfame52
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The condemnation of sinners came about by the offence of one man Adam Rom 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
That man wasn't a baby, so non elect babies will be condemned for their sin in Adam a full grown man. I believe therefore all non elect condemned babies will be in the judgment changed into a full grown adult as Adam was and face their condemnation in him.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
That man wasn't a baby, so non elect babies will be condemned for their sin in Adam a full grown man. I believe therefore all non elect condemned babies will be in the judgment changed into a full grown adult as Adam was and face their condemnation in him.
Brightfame52
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Sorry God created them to be vessels of wrath and to suffer His vengeance for their sins. Repentance is for them He gives it to when He saves them Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Thats strictly for the vessels of mercy !
Brightfame52
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One day we'll all agree, when the Lord sets it all straight.
Until then I guess we're just going to be human.
“A rose by any other name smells as sweet.” William Shakespeare.
Or did he say, “smells the same”?
Jehovah Witnesses dislike being called Russellites, but they teach his beliefs.
Church of Christ dislike being called Campbellites, but they teach his beliefs.
Likewise, some Calvinists really dislike being called Calvinists. They prefer sovereign grace, doctrines of grace, monergists, or more often call their belief system covenant theology, or Reformed Theology. Nonetheless, they teach the beliefs of Augustine, more often known as Calvinism. It’s all the same belief. He is a Calvinist; just doesn’t like the name, maybe because he’s not Presbyterian. Whatever. It’s all summed up in TULIP, for the most part.
Brightfame52
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Gods Elect or Christs Sheep, though they're never the children of the devil, or the children of disobedience, or the workers of iniquity which God hates, yet by nature they have a natural affinity with them, and are considered among them. Thats why Paul says of the elect that by nature they're children of wrath as others. Eph 2:3
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Much like the Beloved Prodigal Son, who while away from His Father, He was still a Son, but lived like and among them of the world Lk 15:11-24.5
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Much like the Beloved Prodigal Son, who while away from His Father, He was still a Son, but lived like and among them of the world Lk 15:11-24.5
Brightfame52
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Even though by nature the elect work iniquity like any other sinner, yet they aren't the workers of iniquity that God hates Ps 5:5 neither are they them which Christ says to them I never knew you Matt 7:23
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Now in contrast, the elect or sheep of Christ, Christ knows them and says He specifically laid down His Life for Jn 10: 11-15
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. Now we know Christ sheep were sinners like they which work iniquity, else why did Christ lay down His Life for them ? Yet as not with the Sheep whom Christ knows [ginōskō] Vs 14 They which work iniquity Christ says He NEVER KNEW[ginōskō] Vs 23
This is a notable difference between sinners, some Christ never knew, and some He knew and gave His Life for.! F
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Now in contrast, the elect or sheep of Christ, Christ knows them and says He specifically laid down His Life for Jn 10: 11-15
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. Now we know Christ sheep were sinners like they which work iniquity, else why did Christ lay down His Life for them ? Yet as not with the Sheep whom Christ knows [ginōskō] Vs 14 They which work iniquity Christ says He NEVER KNEW[ginōskō] Vs 23
This is a notable difference between sinners, some Christ never knew, and some He knew and gave His Life for.! F
Sinners don’t go to Heaven; saints do.
In myself, I am a horrid sinner.
But I am not alone.
I am in Christ and Christ is in me, by His grace, goodness, and mercy, and the new birth. Thus, I am a saint, undeserving on my own, but God has named me a saint in Christ, glory be unto Him.
Dave G
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Amen.
God never calls His elect "workers of iniquity".
He has made us, through the blood of His Son and the power of His Spirit, "those that do righteousness".