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Are Immunizations unhealthy and sinful?
- Thread starter Paul33
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The other red flag for me is the resistance of school officials, newspapers, and health officials to follow the rules when it comes to informing the public of their right to exempt their children from immunizations. In many states it is a misdemeanor not to inform parents in writing of their right to exempt.
But of course this is never enforced. Makes me wonder why?
But of course this is never enforced. Makes me wonder why?
Gold Dragon
Well-Known Member
I'm sorry for that. But I hope you can see your bias in this case. While the risks of vaccines should probably have been made more aware to you and your parents, that doesn't mean vaccines don't work.
I'm sorry for that. But I hope you can see your bias in this case. While the risks of vaccines should probably have been made more aware to you and your parents, that doesn't mean vaccines don't work. </font>[/QUOTE]Well, not really. With my first born we started down the road to immunizations. She received the dead polio virus. But then we started doing our own research and decided not to immunize her with the other shots. I've done enough research to know that the risks of contracting the disease do not outwiegh the risks of the vaccines, IMO.
Therefore we avoid them. Only after coming to this conclusion did my mom tell me what really happened to me as an infant.
Ed Edwards
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Paul33, you seem like a reasonable guy, sometimes
. Why do you buy in this stuff? This is textbook conspiracy theory material.Vaccinations </font>[/QUOTE]Amen Brother Golden Dragon -- Preach it!
Paul33: //By reclassifying and changing the descriptions of the symptoms of polio there was an automatic decrease in "polio." Not because the disease decreased but because the classification changed.//
Did they redefine 28,000 cases of paralasis in 1952 to zero in 1982? -
I don't think so.
Did they redefine death? I don't think so.
Paul 33: //Was polio already on the decline before immunizations were started? The evidence says it was.// No. the evidence shows that
polio had increased for over 100 years. In
20 years of iminuzation polio in the US
was dead, not 400,000 children.
Ed,
There is no statistic you could share with me that would convince me of anything. You were absolutely wrong in your assessment of exemptions by state for school age children. Why would I accept anything you say now about this topic.
The research shows that polio was on the decline before immunizations started and then increased once vaccines were started. There were other factors that played into the decrease of polio in America.
There is no statistic you could share with me that would convince me of anything. You were absolutely wrong in your assessment of exemptions by state for school age children. Why would I accept anything you say now about this topic.
The research shows that polio was on the decline before immunizations started and then increased once vaccines were started. There were other factors that played into the decrease of polio in America.
Ed Edwards
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Paul33: "The research shows that polio was on the decline before immunizations started and then increased once vaccines were started."
All i've heard is that your opinion and personal experience
shows this, 'research' does not show it.
Paul33: "There is no statistic you could share with
me that would convince me of anything."
Can you spell 'closed mind'?
All i've seen you share is one case.
That is illogical when statistics exist.
How many people world-wide have taken the polio vaccines?
How many people died taking those polio vaccines?
What is the percentage of people who have polio who
develop life threatening symptoms? About 4%.
It totally floors me when a person wears falcon bliners
and trys to pass as a visionary
Say that a disease kills all it's victims and 1% of
the population has this disease. Say that a test for this
disease is only 90% accurate (i.e. 10% in error).
Consider 10,000 persons, 8910 will not have the disease and
the test will show it; 90 will have the disease and the
test will show it. The other figures are even more interesting:
1 10 people out of the 10,000 will have the disease and will
not be found; 990 will not have the disease but the test will
say that they do have it. Note the 99:1 ratio is totally
dependant upon the ratio of those who have the disease
and has nothing to do with how accurate the test is.
The 990 who are told they have the disease need to be checked
by some other method. The test is just a filter
BTW, before elements are filtered by the
liver or kidney, they must be moved there
in the blood. All the liver/kidney stuff
was a bad bluff.
BTW, the oral polio vaccine goes into the gut.
The blood from the gut goes straight to the
liver, where it gets filtered befrore entering
the rest of the blood system.
All i've heard is that your opinion and personal experience
shows this, 'research' does not show it.
Paul33: "There is no statistic you could share with
me that would convince me of anything."
Can you spell 'closed mind'?
All i've seen you share is one case.
That is illogical when statistics exist.
How many people world-wide have taken the polio vaccines?
How many people died taking those polio vaccines?
What is the percentage of people who have polio who
develop life threatening symptoms? About 4%.
It totally floors me when a person wears falcon bliners
and trys to pass as a visionary
Say that a disease kills all it's victims and 1% of
the population has this disease. Say that a test for this
disease is only 90% accurate (i.e. 10% in error).
Consider 10,000 persons, 8910 will not have the disease and
the test will show it; 90 will have the disease and the
test will show it. The other figures are even more interesting:
1 10 people out of the 10,000 will have the disease and will
not be found; 990 will not have the disease but the test will
say that they do have it. Note the 99:1 ratio is totally
dependant upon the ratio of those who have the disease
and has nothing to do with how accurate the test is.
The 990 who are told they have the disease need to be checked
by some other method. The test is just a filter
BTW, before elements are filtered by the
liver or kidney, they must be moved there
in the blood. All the liver/kidney stuff
was a bad bluff.
BTW, the oral polio vaccine goes into the gut.
The blood from the gut goes straight to the
liver, where it gets filtered befrore entering
the rest of the blood system.
Ed Edwards
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Here is an interesting Math theorem in the
field of set theory: An infinite set may be
divided into any finite number of infinite subsets.
You are saved forever. 'Forever' is an
infinite set of time periods. If i spend only
one minute alone with Jesus every million years,
according to the theorem, i will spend
eternity alone with Jesus.
I will also spend an eternity alone with
Bro. Paul33. I better learn to like him,
i'm going to spend eternity alone with him
field of set theory: An infinite set may be
divided into any finite number of infinite subsets.
You are saved forever. 'Forever' is an
infinite set of time periods. If i spend only
one minute alone with Jesus every million years,
according to the theorem, i will spend
eternity alone with Jesus.
I will also spend an eternity alone with
Bro. Paul33. I better learn to like him,
i'm going to spend eternity alone with him
Ed Edwards
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source: New Meningitis Shot Ready for Children
Highlights:
//Although meningococcal meningitis affects only about 3,000 people nationwide each year, it kills one-fifth of adolescents who get it.//
//This is a very bad disease," said the academy's Dr. Carol J. Baker, an infectious disease specialist at Baylor College of Medicine in Texas. "It's very rapidly progressive in adolescence. You can have an adolescent in a shopping mall at 2 in the afternoon, in the emergency room at 6 in the evening, and death by midnight."//
...
//The new vaccine was approved in January, and in February a government advisory panel urged federal health officials to recommend the shot be given to certain age groups - primarily those at highest risk.//
//The recommendations are aimed at doctors who will be giving the shots, plus parents and the more than 8 million U.S. youngsters urged to get it: 11- to 12-year-olds at routine doctor checkups; 15-year-olds or those entering high school, because they're becoming more socially active and exposed to more germs; and college dorm-dwellers, because close quarters spread disease easily//
Fortunately i don't have a 15-year, 11/12 year checkup,
or a new college freshman (though OU says this year they mest
live in the dorm). So it is moot. But it will be interesting
to see the figures on how many discombulated people out of the
8million takers.
Highlights:
//Although meningococcal meningitis affects only about 3,000 people nationwide each year, it kills one-fifth of adolescents who get it.//
//This is a very bad disease," said the academy's Dr. Carol J. Baker, an infectious disease specialist at Baylor College of Medicine in Texas. "It's very rapidly progressive in adolescence. You can have an adolescent in a shopping mall at 2 in the afternoon, in the emergency room at 6 in the evening, and death by midnight."//
...
//The new vaccine was approved in January, and in February a government advisory panel urged federal health officials to recommend the shot be given to certain age groups - primarily those at highest risk.//
//The recommendations are aimed at doctors who will be giving the shots, plus parents and the more than 8 million U.S. youngsters urged to get it: 11- to 12-year-olds at routine doctor checkups; 15-year-olds or those entering high school, because they're becoming more socially active and exposed to more germs; and college dorm-dwellers, because close quarters spread disease easily//
Fortunately i don't have a 15-year, 11/12 year checkup,
or a new college freshman (though OU says this year they mest
live in the dorm). So it is moot. But it will be interesting
to see the figures on how many discombulated people out of the
8million takers.
There's one immunization I won't have again...against FLU. I've had'em twice & developed flu each time. I have no doubt that the vaccine caused it.
However, only an idiot refuses to do everything he can to prevent DEADLY disease. Now, while flu can be deadly for one in overall poor health, it's NOT the menace that polio is, or diptheria, typhoid, tetanus,etc.
If you or yours was bitten by an animal proven rabid, would you not seek vaccination at once, or would you DARE GOD, as the Jehovah False Witnesses do?
However, only an idiot refuses to do everything he can to prevent DEADLY disease. Now, while flu can be deadly for one in overall poor health, it's NOT the menace that polio is, or diptheria, typhoid, tetanus,etc.
If you or yours was bitten by an animal proven rabid, would you not seek vaccination at once, or would you DARE GOD, as the Jehovah False Witnesses do?
T
TexasSky
Guest
My ancestors were wiped out by small pox (my Dad's side of the family was American Indian).
My kids don't even need a vaccine against it today because the vaccine ended the spread of it.
What does your one source suggest that explains away what millions of other researchers and doctors and common sense say is the truth - the vaccine saved us?
My kids don't even need a vaccine against it today because the vaccine ended the spread of it.
What does your one source suggest that explains away what millions of other researchers and doctors and common sense say is the truth - the vaccine saved us?
rivers1222
Member
robycop3 writes:
There's one immunization I won't have again...against FLU. I've had'em twice & developed flu each time. I have no doubt that the vaccine caused it.
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When I was in boot camp in 1976 we were all given a flu shot, I believe it was swine flu or something. Thought I was gonna die. The whole company was down for 24 hours. We privately speculated it was some kind of secret weapon they were trying out on us. If it was, it worked. Never had a flu shot since.
There's one immunization I won't have again...against FLU. I've had'em twice & developed flu each time. I have no doubt that the vaccine caused it.
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When I was in boot camp in 1976 we were all given a flu shot, I believe it was swine flu or something. Thought I was gonna die. The whole company was down for 24 hours. We privately speculated it was some kind of secret weapon they were trying out on us. If it was, it worked. Never had a flu shot since.
Ed Edwards
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You don't have to take the flu shot. Just
tell the shooter you are allergic to eggs,
you won't be given the shot.
My testimony is:
In 1972, when i was a public school teacher,
i missed a full two weeks work from the flu.
In the 35 years since, I've gotten 34 flu
shots (haven't gotten the one for 2005 yet).
All the shots I've gotten have been less than
one days suffering back in 1972. But then,
I'm not allergic to having egg protein injected
in my muscles.
tell the shooter you are allergic to eggs,
you won't be given the shot.
My testimony is:
In 1972, when i was a public school teacher,
i missed a full two weeks work from the flu.
In the 35 years since, I've gotten 34 flu
shots (haven't gotten the one for 2005 yet).
All the shots I've gotten have been less than
one days suffering back in 1972. But then,
I'm not allergic to having egg protein injected
in my muscles.
rivers1222
Member
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Ed writes:
You don't have to take the flu shot. Just
tell the shooter you are allergic to eggs,
you won't be given the shot.
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Ed,
We caught onto that real quick. But sadly, so did the Navy. But once we hit the fleet they had no choice but to believe us or have the whole crew laid up.
Ed writes:
You don't have to take the flu shot. Just
tell the shooter you are allergic to eggs,
you won't be given the shot.
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Ed,
We caught onto that real quick. But sadly, so did the Navy. But once we hit the fleet they had no choice but to believe us or have the whole crew laid up.
StraightAndNarrow
Active Member
What research? Could you site some support for this absurd statement?
The "fact" of polio being eliminated by vaccines is in dispute. </font>[/QUOTE]Dr. Bernard Greenburg testifying before congress! Go look it up for yourself. He was the head of Biostatistics at the UNC School of Public Health.
Look it up. Read his testimony. And then go on your merry way!
Dr. Fred Klenner!
Dr. Mendelson!
It doesn't matter how many researchers or M.D.s speak to this issue. You're not listening.
The studies are there is you want to do your own work and look into it for yourself. But of course, the pharmaceutical companies, government, and medical establishment aren't going to lie, are they. Certainly not when it comes to our health!
StraightAndNarrow
Active Member
http://americanhistory.si.edu/polio/timeline/index.htm
1953, Salk and his associates develop a potentially safe, inactivated (killed), injected polio vaccine.
1954, nearly two million children participate in the field trials.
1955, news of the success of the trials is announced by Dr. Thomas Francis in a formal press conference at Ann Arbor, Michigan, on April 12, the tenth anniversary of FDR's death. The news was broadcast both on television and radio, and church bells rang in cities around the United States.
1955 - 57, incidence of polio in the U.S. falls by 85 - 90%.
1962, the Salk vaccine replaced by the Sabin vaccine for most purposes because it is easier to administer and less expensive.
1979, last case of polio caused by “wild” virus in U.S.; last case of smallpox in the world.
1953, Salk and his associates develop a potentially safe, inactivated (killed), injected polio vaccine.
1954, nearly two million children participate in the field trials.
1955, news of the success of the trials is announced by Dr. Thomas Francis in a formal press conference at Ann Arbor, Michigan, on April 12, the tenth anniversary of FDR's death. The news was broadcast both on television and radio, and church bells rang in cities around the United States.
1955 - 57, incidence of polio in the U.S. falls by 85 - 90%.
1962, the Salk vaccine replaced by the Sabin vaccine for most purposes because it is easier to administer and less expensive.
1979, last case of polio caused by “wild” virus in U.S.; last case of smallpox in the world.