Are Immunizations unhealthy and sinful?

I'm sorry for that. But I hope you can see your bias in this case. While the risks of vaccines should probably have been made more aware to you and your parents, that doesn't mean vaccines don't work.

 

Paul33, you seem like a reasonable guy, sometimes . Why do you buy in this stuff? This is textbook conspiracy theory material.

Vaccinations </font>[/QUOTE]Amen Brother Golden Dragon -- Preach it!

Paul33: //By reclassifying and changing the descriptions of the symptoms of polio there was an automatic decrease in "polio." Not because the disease decreased but because the classification changed.//

Did they redefine 28,000 cases of paralasis in 1952 to zero in 1982? -
I don't think so.
Did they redefine death? I don't think so.

Paul 33: //Was polio already on the decline before immunizations were started? The evidence says it was.// No. the evidence shows that
polio had increased for over 100 years. In
20 years of iminuzation polio in the US
was dead, not 400,000 children.

 

Paul33: "The research shows that polio was on the decline before immunizations started and then increased once vaccines were started."

All i've heard is that your opinion and personal experience
shows this, 'research' does not show it.

Paul33: "There is no statistic you could share with
me that would convince me of anything."

Can you spell 'closed mind'?
All i've seen you share is one case.
That is illogical when statistics exist.

How many people world-wide have taken the polio vaccines?
How many people died taking those polio vaccines?
What is the percentage of people who have polio who
develop life threatening symptoms? About 4%.

It totally floors me when a person wears falcon bliners
and trys to pass as a visionary

Say that a disease kills all it's victims and 1% of
the population has this disease. Say that a test for this
disease is only 90% accurate (i.e. 10% in error).
Consider 10,000 persons, 8910 will not have the disease and
the test will show it; 90 will have the disease and the
test will show it. The other figures are even more interesting:
1 10 people out of the 10,000 will have the disease and will
not be found; 990 will not have the disease but the test will
say that they do have it. Note the 99:1 ratio is totally
dependant upon the ratio of those who have the disease
and has nothing to do with how accurate the test is.
The 990 who are told they have the disease need to be checked
by some other method. The test is just a filter

BTW, before elements are filtered by the
liver or kidney, they must be moved there
in the blood. All the liver/kidney stuff
was a bad bluff.

BTW, the oral polio vaccine goes into the gut.
The blood from the gut goes straight to the
liver, where it gets filtered befrore entering
the rest of the blood system.

 

Here is an interesting Math theorem in the
field of set theory: An infinite set may be
divided into any finite number of infinite subsets.

You are saved forever. 'Forever' is an
infinite set of time periods. If i spend only
one minute alone with Jesus every million years,
according to the theorem, i will spend
eternity alone with Jesus.
I will also spend an eternity alone with
Bro. Paul33. I better learn to like him,
i'm going to spend eternity alone with him

 

source: New Meningitis Shot Ready for Children

Highlights:

//Although meningococcal meningitis affects only about 3,000 people nationwide each year, it kills one-fifth of adolescents who get it.//

//This is a very bad disease," said the academy's Dr. Carol J. Baker, an infectious disease specialist at Baylor College of Medicine in Texas. "It's very rapidly progressive in adolescence. You can have an adolescent in a shopping mall at 2 in the afternoon, in the emergency room at 6 in the evening, and death by midnight."//
...
//The new vaccine was approved in January, and in February a government advisory panel urged federal health officials to recommend the shot be given to certain age groups - primarily those at highest risk.//

//The recommendations are aimed at doctors who will be giving the shots, plus parents and the more than 8 million U.S. youngsters urged to get it: 11- to 12-year-olds at routine doctor checkups; 15-year-olds or those entering high school, because they're becoming more socially active and exposed to more germs; and college dorm-dwellers, because close quarters spread disease easily//

Fortunately i don't have a 15-year, 11/12 year checkup,
or a new college freshman (though OU says this year they mest
live in the dorm). So it is moot. But it will be interesting
to see the figures on how many discombulated people out of the
8million takers.

 

There's one immunization I won't have again...against FLU. I've had'em twice & developed flu each time. I have no doubt that the vaccine caused it.

However, only an idiot refuses to do everything he can to prevent DEADLY disease. Now, while flu can be deadly for one in overall poor health, it's NOT the menace that polio is, or diptheria, typhoid, tetanus,etc.

If you or yours was bitten by an animal proven rabid, would you not seek vaccination at once, or would you DARE GOD, as the Jehovah False Witnesses do?

 

My ancestors were wiped out by small pox (my Dad's side of the family was American Indian).
My kids don't even need a vaccine against it today because the vaccine ended the spread of it.

What does your one source suggest that explains away what millions of other researchers and doctors and common sense say is the truth - the vaccine saved us?

 

robycop3 writes:
There's one immunization I won't have again...against FLU. I've had'em twice & developed flu each time. I have no doubt that the vaccine caused it.
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When I was in boot camp in 1976 we were all given a flu shot, I believe it was swine flu or something. Thought I was gonna die. The whole company was down for 24 hours. We privately speculated it was some kind of secret weapon they were trying out on us. If it was, it worked. Never had a flu shot since.

 

You don't have to take the flu shot. Just
tell the shooter you are allergic to eggs,
you won't be given the shot.

My testimony is:
In 1972, when i was a public school teacher,
i missed a full two weeks work from the flu.
In the 35 years since, I've gotten 34 flu
shots (haven't gotten the one for 2005 yet).
All the shots I've gotten have been less than
one days suffering back in 1972. But then,
I'm not allergic to having egg protein injected
in my muscles.

 

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Ed writes:
You don't have to take the flu shot. Just
tell the shooter you are allergic to eggs,
you won't be given the shot.
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Ed,
We caught onto that real quick. But sadly, so did the Navy. But once we hit the fleet they had no choice but to believe us or have the whole crew laid up.

 

What research? Could you site some support for this absurd statement?

 

http://americanhistory.si.edu/polio/timeline/index.htm

1953, Salk and his associates develop a potentially safe, inactivated (killed), injected polio vaccine.

1954, nearly two million children participate in the field trials.

1955, news of the success of the trials is announced by Dr. Thomas Francis in a formal press conference at Ann Arbor, Michigan, on April 12, the tenth anniversary of FDR's death. The news was broadcast both on television and radio, and church bells rang in cities around the United States.

1955 - 57, incidence of polio in the U.S. falls by 85 - 90%.

1962, the Salk vaccine replaced by the Sabin vaccine for most purposes because it is easier to administer and less expensive.

1979, last case of polio caused by “wild” virus in U.S.; last case of smallpox in the world.