Are liberal religionist sending

[massdak]

mixed messages on the baptist boards?
i have seen some liberal interpretation that could cause weak Christians and visiting lurkers to stumble.

 

[Harald]

My answer to your question is an emphatic YES. I have at times confronted some on this particular board, but perhaps I have done it unskillfully, because I have often run into situations which resemble nothing but open quarreling. But most often it is because people have tickling ears and cannot endure sound doctrine. And sometimes when I have done it some moderator(s) have interfered as against me, referring to some board rules. I guess I can do nothing about the existing board rules, but some of them seem to me to be of such nature that they prevent one to apply the whole NT in earnestly contending for the faith. They tend to squeeze one into an ecumenical mold where all is "peace peace all is well", and one is not allowed to say the view of another is heresy even if the Bible clearly shows it to be so. This way persons who are in doctrinal error or heresy cannot be confronted, thus they remain in error and heresy, and consequently they cannot "grow", which seems to be very important to the moderators, and those having made the board rules. Growth sometimes entails the prior rooting out of heretical notions, before it can take place. But some persons on here talk more about growth than they actually want to see it. Inconsistency is what it is, and in some cases clear hypocrisy.


Harald

 

[massdak]

Originally posted by Harald:
My answer to your question is an emphatic YES. I have at times confronted some on this particular board, but perhaps I have done it unskillfully, because I have often run into situations which resemble nothing but open quarreling. But most often it is because people have tickling ears and cannot endure sound doctrine. And sometimes when I have done it some moderator(s) have interfered as against me, referring to some board rules. I guess I can do nothing about the existing board rules, but some of them seem to me to be of such nature that they prevent one to apply the whole NT in earnestly contending for the faith. They tend to squeeze one into an ecumenical mold where all is "peace peace all is well", and one is not allowed to say the view of another is heresy even if the Bible clearly shows it to be so. This way persons who are in doctrinal error or heresy cannot be confronted, thus they remain in error and heresy, and consequently they cannot "grow", which seems to be very important to the moderators, and those having made the board rules. Growth sometimes entails the prior rooting out of heretical notions, before it can take place. But some persons on here talk more about growth than they actually want to see it. Inconsistency is what it is, and in some cases clear hypocrisy.


Harald

i agree with you harald, i would like to see strong rebukes against all those who speak against the truth of Gods word. todays liberals are fighting against good doctrine daily.

 

[Haruo]

[Are liberal religionist sending] mixed messages on the baptist boards?

"mixed messages" in what sense? Not consistently liberal enough?



Haruo
probably what you'd call a liberal

 

[Haruo]

Originally posted by massdak:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Harald:
... sometimes when I have done it some moderator(s) have interfered as against me, referring to some board rules. I guess I can do nothing about the existing board rules, but some of them seem to me to be of such nature that they prevent one to apply the whole NT in earnestly contending for the faith. They tend to squeeze one into an ecumenical mold where all is "peace peace all is well", and one is not allowed to say the view of another is heresy even if the Bible clearly shows it to be so. This way persons who are in doctrinal error or heresy cannot be confronted, thus they remain in error and heresy, and consequently they cannot "grow", which seems to be very important to the moderators, and those having made the board rules. Growth sometimes entails the prior rooting out of heretical notions, before it can take place. But some persons on here talk more about growth than they actually want to see it. Inconsistency is what it is, and in some cases clear hypocrisy.

Harald

i agree with you harald, i would like to see strong rebukes against all those who speak against the truth of Gods word. todays liberals are fighting against good doctrine daily. </font>[/QUOTE]The diversity of God's creation is clearly demonstrated by the existence of those who find BaptistBoard's board rules to be a pro-liberal barrier to applying the full NT against heretics.

Haruo

 

[rsr]

Are you implying that the BB is a tool of Satan because it doesn't smack down on folks who have differences of opinion or interpretation?

 

[LadyEagle]

Not wanting to touch this thread with a 10-foot pole, I dive in anyway....

massdak, one of the problems may be that we operate on an honor system. So some may come here & claim they are Baptist, but in all reality are not. Or they may have been a Baptist at one point in time, but now are not (for one reason or another), but say they are so they can get approved to post on the Board in the Baptist only sections. And some people may like to "troll," (register with the purpose of coming on here to stir up contention, strife, and promote their anti-Biblical philosophies).

The Bottom Line: God knows who is really a Baptist and who isn't and the motivations of all who post here. The Administrators and Moderators do try to keep watchful eyes on these threads and those who participate. But some may slip through the cracks once in awhile.

 

[Jim1999]

I think the professing liberals on this Board have been quite open about their beliefs and not underhanded at all. There is greater diversity amongst those who profess to be fundamentalist and other variations of being a Baptist.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Rev. Joshua]

I think a lot of people on this forum don't realize the breadth of beliefs among baptists. I went to a baptist seminary where almost everything taught there would curl the toes of the fundamentalists here. Likewsie the Baptist Houses of Studies at places like Duke and Emory.

If the charges of the fundamentalists were right, there were plenty of liberals in the old SBC. When they were run out, most of them didn't stop being baptists.

Joshua

 

[Bible-boy]

Originally posted by Rev. Joshua:
Likewsie the Baptist Houses of Studies at places like Duke and Emory.

Duke and Emory... Baptist Houses of Studies? Are you sure you didn't mean Meathodist?

When they were run out, most of them didn't stop being baptists.

Yep, they still call themselves Baptists. The liberals who were former SBC seminary professors simply moved into other liberal institutions, or started their own new ones, and continued teaching the next generation of pastors that God's Word is not inerrant, that women can be ordained pastors, that homosexuality is normal and acceptable before God, etc. etc. etc.

The result... churches called "Baptist" that worship like the Church of England, that ordain women as pastors, that ordain openly homosexual men as pastors, that teach their congregations to wink at sin, that support a woman's right to murder an unborn child, and preach sermons that instruct the people to refer to God the Father and Mother God...

 

[massdak]

Originally posted by rsr:
Are you implying that the BB is a tool of Satan because it doesn't smack down on folks who have differences of opinion or interpretation?

if you consider good doctrine against bad doctrine just a difference in opinion, then that is very sad.

 

[HankD]

While I agree with the basic premise concerning Baptist liberalism, I ask, what else is new?

What about Soul Liberty?

This is a good thing here at the BB:

It is here for all to see and debate including the vulnerable, so lets not let them down.

We can contend for the faith without being contentious. Wise as serpents, harmless as doves...

God's method brings God's results.

2 Timothy 2
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

HankD

 

[Istherenotacause]

"Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted, nor to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider."

Sir Francis Bacon


I hope it is all-right to post quotes, I don't remember.

I recently ran across this quote and saw it would definitely apply to this section concerning liberals and all others alike and not the like, which I'm not a liberal by any idea of the word.

I'm sure glad I've got a Bible to "weigh and consider" thereby and therewith!

What I'm saying is, when I read the saddening posts of liberals and how they attempt to substanciate their claims, it allows me to strengthen myself in the things of God and my stand against apostacy and heresy altogether. Why is it they always refer to "their" seminaries and colleges boasting about their education, when it is so obvious to conservatives that the institutions they brag on are rapidly degrading into liberalism and ecumenicalism, too?

The time is come they will not endure SOUND doctrine, denying the very blood of the One who bought them. I welcome a differing point of view, but why is it they seem to go to the extremes by lashing out insults against those to whom they disagree? Typical childishness, that's why, immaturity, babes in Christ, needing to mature in the Lord, and not puff themselves with vain knowledge that always proves unfruitful, unless you like to partake of corrupt fruit, that is. Blecchhh!

I've never learned much from some one I agree with, but I certainly gain strength in knowing what is error concerning the faith. My prayer is that the unlearned and immature won't be misled by the obvious rantings of the flesh.

The King James Bible Believer's Broadcast-AV 1611,

Independent Fundamental Baptist- Unashamed of the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ!

"Repent ye! And believe the Gospel!" Mark 1:15, AV 1611 (The first message of the Lord Jesus Christ after defeating the devil with the word of God!)

Brother Ricky

 

[Rev. Joshua]

BB2 - with the exception of "winking at sin" that's us. We're still baptist though.

As for Emory and Duke, there are Baptist Houses of Studies at both places since - although they are Methodist institutions - they crank out a good number of baptist clergy (more now than before because of the shift in the SBC seminaries).

Again, one can stop being a Southern Baptist or a fundamentalist baptist and still be a baptist.

Joshua

 

[Rev. Joshua]

By the way, how might we liberals cause a lurker to "stumble"? They might start disagreeing with you about particular sins or the age of the Earth, but they'd still get the same old gospel of salvation through Christ and repentance of sins.

Joshua

 

[Rev. Joshua]

By the way, how might we liberals cause a lurker to "stumble"? They might start disagreeing with you about particular sins or the age of the Earth, but they'd still get the same old gospel of salvation through Christ and repentance of sins.

Joshua

 

[massdak]

Originally posted by Rev. Joshua:
By the way, how might we liberals cause a lurker to "stumble"? They might start disagreeing with you about particular sins or the age of the Earth, but they'd still get the same old gospel of salvation through Christ and repentance of sins.

Joshua

well, the question is do liberal religionist preach the biblical Christ? i just do not believe that the Lord winks at sins such as homosexuality and killing the unborn. you may want to reevaluate who you put your trust in and who you preach. stick to the Bible. it is not just issues such as the age of the earth it is a multitude of discrepancies and you know that already.
have i also mentioned that i call on all liberal teachers and preachers to resign and leave their office?

 

[RTB]

The result... churches called "Baptist" that worship like the Church of England, that ordain women as pastors, that ordain openly homosexual men as pastors, that teach their congregations to wink at sin, that support a woman's right to murder an unborn child, and preach sermons that instruct the people to refer to God the Father and Mother God... [/QB][/QUOTE]


Mother God? That is a new one on me, could someone please enlighten me?

In Christ

Ronnie

 

[Dr. Bob]

"Thou shalt not suffer a liberal to live." Exodus 22:18 (Bob). Think God could have written that if He wan't to?

Pile high the faggots and burn them at the stake (liberals, although faggots, too . . )

I disagree with liberalism and question the eternal salvation of the souls of such who openly embrace this false interpretation. But unless I can prove otherwise, they ARE my brothers.

The Baptist tree has wide branches . . and lots of strange birds nesting in it.

p.s. Many people think that I am a "liberal"

Prov. 11:25 "25 The liberal soul shall be made fat"

 

[Haruo]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Prov. 11:25 "25 The liberal soul shall be made fat"

</font>[/QUOTE]I never noticed that before! How funny! (Obviously I should read my KJV more.) Incidentally, my Strong's indicates that the Hebrew word here translated "liberal" occurs a total of 69 times in the OT, and this is the only place where it is translated this way! The most common rendering (61 occurrences) is "blessing"; the others are "blessed", "present", and "pools". Fascinating.

Thanks, Dr. Bob!

Haruo