Are Mormons Biblical Christians?

[steaver]

Greetings board!

We have a new member here who has some misunderstandings about the Mormon church. She believes they are Christian just as Baptist are Christian. I personally believe she is probably uninformed about just how off base the Mormon religion is from true born of God Christianity.

I would like to welcome her here that we may help her understand why we should not call Mormons Christian according the the scriptures. PLEASE do not go at her like an enemy combatant! She is not here to promote the Mormon religion, but rather would like to discuss it and I pray come to a better knowledge of just what this false church has put forth over the century.

Here is her comment concerning the Mormon and Christian....

I was baptized into the LDS church when I was 18. I am fully aware of their theology. Some of it I find to be very flawed with no Biblical basis to back it up, which was part of why I chose to stop attending church there. But their basic beliefs in Jesus Christ as the Savior and baptism are the SAME as other Christians. They may have a strange way of looking at things, but they are most definitely Christians. I certainly still considered myself to be a Christian while I was a member of their church. They're not a cult. Yes, they are secretive about their temple ceremonies, but they believe in the same God and the same Jesus that we do.

Anyway, we are getting off topic. We're not here to debate the Christianity of the LDS church, but to discuss whether or not each of us would support Mitt Romney. Should a thread be created to debate whether Mormons are Christians or not, I'd gladly participate. But this thread isn't the place for that

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

This is your thread Steaver. Give us your take. :thumbsup:

 

[DHK]

Greetings board!

We have a new member here who has some misunderstandings about the Mormon church. She believes they are Christian just as Baptist are Christian. I personally believe she is probably uninformed about just how off base the Mormon religion is from true born of God Christianity.

"As man is God was; As God is man will become."
That is the essence of Mormonism.

As well, Jesus is a created being--a blasphemous teaching.

 

[steaver]

This is your thread Steaver. Give us your take. :thumbsup:

I believe they are absolutely a false religion and one of the worse ones because they use the name Christian and use the same terms from the bible as true Christians do. However, if you study the writings of Joseph Smith and all of the so called "prophets" which led the LDS since, you will see some very disturbing antichrist teachings.

The worse false religions are the ones that talk the bible but have very different teachings of the terms set forth therein as is taught by true mainstream denominations. The Trinity is one of them.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Thanks Steaver.:thumbs:

 

[steaver]

One will have to do some study to know the doctrines of the LDS. I am sure there are true CHristians within the Mormon church who have found the true Jesus in spite of their false doctrines and false prophets.

All one needs to do is to read the writings of the LDS prophets. This is the true Mormon church.

If the Mormon church wants to be considered Christian then they must denounce Joseph Smith and all of their other prophets as false prophets and drop the Mormon name and order that the book of mormon be considered heresy and the made up lie that it truly is.

Until they denounce the book of mormon they are truly a cult because they follow a false prophet and adhere to his teachings.

 

[Tom Butler]

Don't Mormons teach baptismal regeneration?

And what about the idea that men will be a god someday in charge of their own planets?

 

[steaver]

I'm not sure how much LDS prophet teaching the people in the Mormon church are receiving.

My son is 24. He texted me about 6 months ago and wanted to know about Mormons because he had been talking with two young Mormon missionaries. So I gave him some information about what Joseph Smith and the LDS prophets had written so he could be prepared to challenge their Christian claims.

Before this he told me that they are saying all the same things we say about Jesus and God. So I gave him the quotes from the LDS prophets and he met with them and presented this to them. He said they just smiled at each other. My son said what? And they said, "they are lies".

So I don't know what kind of indoctrination is going on in this church to have these young men believe that their own prophet's quotes are somehow lies being told by us "other" Christians. They explained it like this to him, they said, you know how people take the bible and twist it? It's the same thing people do with our prophet's writings. So they are being brainwashed in this area, for the writings speak for themsleves, there is no twisting being done.

 

[DHK]

In the Book of Mormon:

[FONT=&quot]According to Alma 7:10, Jesus was to be born at Jerusalem (rather than in Bethlehem, as recorded in Luke 2:4 and predicted in Micah 5:2).[/FONT]

There are dozens of contradictions and inaccuracies in the book. Most are documented by Gleason Archer in one of the Appendices of his book "Old Testament Introduction."

 

[Moriah]

The book of Mormon is actually the first of four extra books of the Mormons. One of the other books is called the Pearl of Great Price; I cannot remember the names of the other two.
The Mormon missionaries use the Bible and the book of Mormon to try to get people to convert to their religion. They do NOT normally give the other three books until the convert has been with the church for a while. They do not want to scare off potential converts. The book of Mormon is not so terribly different in beliefs than the Bible, but the other books tell beliefs that are more bizarre.
Some of the false beliefs are that Adam came back alive and impregnated Mary. The Mormons have churches and they have temples. They do not let recent converts in their temples. If a man and woman get married in the temple, and remain married their whole lives, they believe that when they are spirits in heaven they continue to make babies, and these babies are called spirit babies.
Mormons believe that some of them will get to own their own planet and get to populate their planets, that they will be gods. There are other strange beliefs, as they believe people were alive spiritually before they were conceived in their mother’s womb, and that children pick their parents. There are probably a lot more strange beliefs than I have mentioned, these are the ones I know about.

Here is one scripture that should stop a person from continuing to contemplate believing the Mormon religion. The Mormon religion is of demons.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

Joseph Smith says the angel Moroni gave him the other testament of Jesus Christ. Do not let anyone, nor the Mormon missionaries, try to explain away what Galatians 1:8 says!

1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

 

[saturneptune]

The book of Mormon is actually the first of four extra books of the Mormons. One of the other books is called the Pearl of Great Price; I cannot remember the names of the other two.
The Mormon missionaries use the Bible and the book of Mormon to try to get people to convert to their religion. They do NOT normally give the other three books until the convert has been with the church for a while. They do not want to scare off potential converts. The book of Mormon is not so terribly different in beliefs than the Bible, but the other books tell beliefs that are more bizarre.
Some of the false beliefs are that Adam came back alive and impregnated Mary. The Mormons have churches and they have temples. They do not let recent converts in their temples. If a man and woman get married in the temple, and remain married their whole lives, they believe that when they are spirits in heaven they continue to make babies, and these babies are called spirit babies.
Mormons believe that some of them will get to own their own planet and get to populate their planets, that they will be gods. There are other strange beliefs, as they believe people were alive spiritually before they were convinced in their mother’s womb, and that children pick their parents. There are probably a lot more strange beliefs than I have mentioned, these are the ones I know about.

Here is one scripture that should stop a person from continuing to contemplate believing the Mormon religion. The Mormon religion is of demons.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

Joseph Smith says the angel Moroni gave him the other testament of Jesus Christ. Do not let anyone, nor the Mormon missionaries, try to explain away what Galatians 1:8 says!

1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

This all started with my thread against voting for the likes of Romney in the political thread. One of the many aspects that I argued about Romney being an evil candidate was his being a Mormon. Mormons have many, many differences with Christians, but the one major one is the status of Jesus Christ. This stands alone as being enough. Jesus Christ is not a created being, nor is He a brother of Lucifer, Gabriel, and Michael. Jesus Christ is God, the Creator, here from eternity past. There is nothing more fundamental than the Divinity of Christ that proves this group to not just be different, but a cult and enemy of the Christian faith. Another belief almost as bad is the status of God the Father. God the Father is also the Creator, and has been here from eternity past. He does not go through a process of perpetually creating new gods generation after generation. We as children of God will not become gods one day ourselves on the planet Mars. These beliefs are way beyond differences of opinion like open and closed communion, these idiot beliefs attack the very heart of the Christian faith, and are not even worthy of debate.

Many of their other beliefs miss the mark, but the other one almost as bad is their view of the Bible. If the Bible contradicts the Book of Mormon, the Book or Mormon stands. Therefore, the Bible is not inspired or inerrant. They are dangerous, and need to be confronted at every opportunity. The cult is very suttle and deceptive. At least Islam is openly hostile.

Sorry, but Joseph Smith, the angel Macaroni, and gold leaves do not even make a good B SyFY movie.

 

[steaver]

I hope Courtney joins in. The study of false religions has always been one of my interest and I love to hear from those who have actually been part of them for this gives a pov that just cannot be understood as well from the outside looking in.

I would like to know what she heard in this church that caused her to accept Jesus Christ as the Eternal (key word) God.

 

[saturneptune]

That post kind of surprised me. I always thought Mormonism is something we all agreed on.

 

[annsni]

Their god and our God are different. Very basic, foundational differences.

 

[AresMan]

Before this he told me that they are saying all the same things we say about Jesus and God. So I gave him the quotes from the LDS prophets and he met with them and presented this to them. He said they just smiled at each other. My son said what? And they said, "they are lies".

Precisely. With Mormons, it is not what they say that matters, it is understanding what they mean by what they say. Their lingo that sounds like what we believe is riddled in baggage that requires an understanding of Mormon theology to disassemble.

 

[annsni]

I'm finding that Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are both using terminology that makes it sound like they are speaking the same as orthodox Christians but when you realize their definitions, they are not. That makes a huge difference. Ask "What do you mean by...." and get them to explain more and push until you get to the truth.

 

[canadyjd]

.... Here is one scripture that should stop a person from continuing to contemplate believing the Mormon religion. The Mormon religion is of demons.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

Joseph Smith says the angel Moroni gave him the other testament of Jesus Christ. Do not let anyone, nor the Mormon missionaries, try to explain away what Galatians 1:8 says.

When I encounter mormon missionaries, this is the verse I take them to. First I will tell them I had heard that the Mormonism was another gospel of Jesus Christ. They always say "Yes, that is true". I then show them Gal. 1:8. They always have responded, "It's not a different gospel, it is the same gospel." I then respond that if it is the same, why do we need it? Why not just stick with the bible.

Usually, they simply, and politely, walk off...just as they have been trained to do.

peace to youraying:

 

[DHK]

This all started with my thread against voting for the likes of Romney in the political thread.

Mormonism is an evil religion, but so is every other "pagan" religion that stands against the Bible, the gospel by grace through faith, the triune Godhead, and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
I always thought that Santorum was an evangelical Christian until I googled him and found this:

Santorum is a devout Catholic, and at one time was even listed as one of the 25 most influential evangelists in America by Time magazine. A former aide was once quoted as saying that Santorum was a ‘Catholic missionary’. Santorum and his wife were conferred with the Sovereign Military Order of Malta in 2004 by the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta. The award is accorded to Catholics worldwide who have displayed exemplary chivalry, nobleness or service to the faith.
http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/Santorum/Religion.php

I don't find the Catholic religion any closer to the truth of Christianity than Mormonism. They both preach a false gospel.
Most others are humanistic in their outlook on life, or simply secularists.

As far as politics is concerned would you not look for the one who is going to lead the nation down the road of economic recovery, one who is going to be a good leader, one, who in spite of his religion, shows good leadership skills and has conservative values.

By way of example,
We used to have a doctor who was born again. But he was a lousy doctor. Now we have a doctor who is an excellent doctor, but he is a "nominal" Catholic. He rarely goes to church, and isn't saved, but he is a good doctor.
I wouldn't choose a surgeon based on whether or not he is a Christian.
I believe the principal who hold true for the leader of the nation.
Just my thoughts.

 

[saturneptune]

DHK,
Your posts are very insightful, and I have learned lots from you in this section about the Catholic Church. As far as Romney goes, I can almost agree about your doctor example. Mormonism is just one aspect. I guess what bothers me the most are his actions while governor of Massachusetts in relation to abortion, gay rights, gun control, and health care. Without reposting all of the links ad nauseum, he basically turned 180 on all issues when he started running for President, which tells me he cannot be trusted. Of course, neither can Obama.

The only thing I can say about the difference between the Catholic docrtine vs the Mormon is that the Catholic view of Jesus Christ is that He is fully God, and not a created being. I agree with you about many aspects of the Catholic church as far as the process of salvation, it does not line up with Scripture. I do think there are saved Catholics despite their church, or due to the mercy of the Lord. I have only had one college course on other faiths, and we did not spend a lot of time on Mormonism. Another thing that bothers me about the Book or Mormon is putting that book above the Bible, and if there is a contradiction, the Bible is in error. That tells me that they consider the Bible neither inspired or inerrent. It could be they look at the Bible like we do the writings that did not make it into the Bible, or to the writings of Josephus.

I just wish we for once in my life vote for a candidate on the basis of positive values, not the lesser of two evils, or who is going to take down this nation to the lowest level possible. Can you imagine someone saying, "I could vote for either candidate, because they both would make a good President, but I am going to vote for candidate A becasue he has a little more experience than candidate B" instead of "candidate A will produce 350,000 abortions and candidate B 250,000, so my vote goes to candidate B."

 

[steaver]

That post kind of surprised me. I always thought Mormonism is something we all agreed on.

I believe all informed Christians would agree that Mormons are not Christian. The problem is ignorance within the body of CHrist and the lack of teaching done on false religions within our Christian churches.

God's very Word tells us that this is how things will go in the end. Most likely due to the lack of teaching on these subjects and the uprising of influential persons such as Glen Beck who promotes all religions as having some good people who are on God's side. THis is absolutely false teaching, but even true CHristians are buying into it.