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Are One In Five American Children Hungry?

Revmitchell

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...The one-in-five childhood hunger figure should raise red flags for three reasons.

First, studies of poor households show that almost half own their own homes, three quarters own a car, and almost all have a color television. The American poor seem to have money for things other than food for their children, if the one-in-five statistic is to be believed.

Second, advocacy groups (with Michelle Obama as a leading spokesperson) now appear to have decided that the problem is childhood obesity, not hunger. The children, especially of the poor, are not going to bed hungry. They are eating too much of the wrong foods.

Third, if the one-in-five statistic is correct, the public food stamps and school free lunch programs must be colossal failures. Despite their wide reach into poor communities, they apparently leave more than thirty percent of school children “struggling with hunger.”

Where does the one-in-five figure come from and what does it really measure?

It turns out that the official arbiter of family nutrition is the U. S. Department of Agriculture. Its annual survey classifies families as “food secure”, “food insecure”, and “very low food secure.” It publishes no direct measure of “hunger,” only of what it calls “food security.” The details of the survey are found in the statistical appendix to the annual survey – a document that few read.

The USDA classifies households as “food insecure” if they report worrying about not having enough money to buy food, if they substitute cheaper foods, skip meals, or eat less for financial reasons. If they do these things frequently, they are classified as “very low food secure.”

Slightly over 21 percent of households are “food insecure.” This is the one-in-five statistic we hear from the media and advocacy groups.

The one-in-five figure is for all households, many of which consist only of adults. If we limit the sample to households with children, ten percent of them are classified as food insecure. If any group wishes to use the broadest possible measure of children’s “struggle for food,” the ten percent figure would be it.

Notably, weekly spending on food by the median “food insecure” household is 95 percent of the cost of the USDA Thrifty Food Plan – the minimum cost of an affordable and healthy diet. It seems that another five cents on the dollar separates 16.2 million hungry children from a healthy diet.

Not publicized by the childhood hunger lobby are the USDA’s most direct measures of childhood hunger. They reveal that between one and two percent of families “cut the size of children's meals” or report that “children were hungry” or “skipped meals.” And only one tenth of one percent of families reported that “children did not eat for a whole day.” These findings do not suggest, to say the least, an epidemic of childhood hunger. The USDA’s most direct measures yield a childhood hunger rate between one and two in a hundred, not one in five.

Are One In Five American Children Hungry?
 

Revmitchell

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While the article has some age to it it is a subject that came up in another thread and the info is still relevant.
 

Reynolds

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...The one-in-five childhood hunger figure should raise red flags for three reasons.

First, studies of poor households show that almost half own their own homes, three quarters own a car, and almost all have a color television. The American poor seem to have money for things other than food for their children, if the one-in-five statistic is to be believed.

Second, advocacy groups (with Michelle Obama as a leading spokesperson) now appear to have decided that the problem is childhood obesity, not hunger. The children, especially of the poor, are not going to bed hungry. They are eating too much of the wrong foods.

Third, if the one-in-five statistic is correct, the public food stamps and school free lunch programs must be colossal failures. Despite their wide reach into poor communities, they apparently leave more than thirty percent of school children “struggling with hunger.”

Where does the one-in-five figure come from and what does it really measure?

It turns out that the official arbiter of family nutrition is the U. S. Department of Agriculture. Its annual survey classifies families as “food secure”, “food insecure”, and “very low food secure.” It publishes no direct measure of “hunger,” only of what it calls “food security.” The details of the survey are found in the statistical appendix to the annual survey – a document that few read.

The USDA classifies households as “food insecure” if they report worrying about not having enough money to buy food, if they substitute cheaper foods, skip meals, or eat less for financial reasons. If they do these things frequently, they are classified as “very low food secure.”

Slightly over 21 percent of households are “food insecure.” This is the one-in-five statistic we hear from the media and advocacy groups.

The one-in-five figure is for all households, many of which consist only of adults. If we limit the sample to households with children, ten percent of them are classified as food insecure. If any group wishes to use the broadest possible measure of children’s “struggle for food,” the ten percent figure would be it.

Notably, weekly spending on food by the median “food insecure” household is 95 percent of the cost of the USDA Thrifty Food Plan – the minimum cost of an affordable and healthy diet. It seems that another five cents on the dollar separates 16.2 million hungry children from a healthy diet.

Not publicized by the childhood hunger lobby are the USDA’s most direct measures of childhood hunger. They reveal that between one and two percent of families “cut the size of children's meals” or report that “children were hungry” or “skipped meals.” And only one tenth of one percent of families reported that “children did not eat for a whole day.” These findings do not suggest, to say the least, an epidemic of childhood hunger. The USDA’s most direct measures yield a childhood hunger rate between one and two in a hundred, not one in five.

Are One In Five American Children Hungry?
I don't know. I know when I worked at the P.D. most of the kids in the projects were hungry. The worthless excuses for human beings that birthed them spent all their money on drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, fake hair, Nike shoes, hoopty wheels for their car, gold jewelry, speakers that go boom, drugs, and more drugs.
The grocery store there would let them buy alcohol and cigarettes with food stamps.
 

Salty

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...The grocery store there would let them buy alcohol and cigarettes with food stamps.

Yes, I have seen people come in - buy booze and cancer sticks with cash - but when they realize, we do not take food stamps -
they leave the milk on the counter and walk out.
 

church mouse guy

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I think that is why schools feed breakfast and lunch and now are open even in the summer for that. But I agree that mostly American children are overweight. The Great Society welfare program of Democrat Lyndon Johnson destroyed families. FDR, no friend of anyone, said that welfare was a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human soul. It is degrading to be able-bodied and to have the government take over your home.
 

Salty

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I think that is why schools feed breakfast and lunch and now are open even in the summer for that. But I agree that mostly American children are overweight. The Great Society welfare program of Democrat Lyndon Johnson destroyed families. FDR, no friend of anyone, said that welfare was a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human soul. It is degrading to be able-bodied and to have the government take over your home.


If I remember correctly - school breakfast began when forced busing was required. Kids may be on a school bus in excess of an hour - and were hungry by the time they got to school

I dont think kids are starving - rather they are not getting nutritional meals at home.
and yes it is a shame that the govt is trying to take over care of families.
(Didnt that happen in Germany?)

Here in the Salt City - this past week (winter vacation - kids could go to their school for a free lunch - regardless
of financial ability. On FB, I recommended that kids do chores for that free lunch. My goodness, people thought I was the Devil himself.

Just no responsibility.....
 

church mouse guy

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I think school breakfast started in the early 1970s and it was used in ghetto schools in urban projects such as were widespread in Chicago. I don't know about busing but you are correct that the rides are an hour or more one way because there is a lot of that in Indianapolis. Public schools are very bad in the USA, sadly.
 

FollowTheWay

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...The one-in-five childhood hunger figure should raise red flags for three reasons.

First, studies of poor households show that almost half own their own homes, three quarters own a car, and almost all have a color television. The American poor seem to have money for things other than food for their children, if the one-in-five statistic is to be believed.

Second, advocacy groups (with Michelle Obama as a leading spokesperson) now appear to have decided that the problem is childhood obesity, not hunger. The children, especially of the poor, are not going to bed hungry. They are eating too much of the wrong foods.

Third, if the one-in-five statistic is correct, the public food stamps and school free lunch programs must be colossal failures. Despite their wide reach into poor communities, they apparently leave more than thirty percent of school children “struggling with hunger.”

Where does the one-in-five figure come from and what does it really measure?

It turns out that the official arbiter of family nutrition is the U. S. Department of Agriculture. Its annual survey classifies families as “food secure”, “food insecure”, and “very low food secure.” It publishes no direct measure of “hunger,” only of what it calls “food security.” The details of the survey are found in the statistical appendix to the annual survey – a document that few read.

The USDA classifies households as “food insecure” if they report worrying about not having enough money to buy food, if they substitute cheaper foods, skip meals, or eat less for financial reasons. If they do these things frequently, they are classified as “very low food secure.”

Slightly over 21 percent of households are “food insecure.” This is the one-in-five statistic we hear from the media and advocacy groups.

The one-in-five figure is for all households, many of which consist only of adults. If we limit the sample to households with children, ten percent of them are classified as food insecure. If any group wishes to use the broadest possible measure of children’s “struggle for food,” the ten percent figure would be it.

Notably, weekly spending on food by the median “food insecure” household is 95 percent of the cost of the USDA Thrifty Food Plan – the minimum cost of an affordable and healthy diet. It seems that another five cents on the dollar separates 16.2 million hungry children from a healthy diet.

Not publicized by the childhood hunger lobby are the USDA’s most direct measures of childhood hunger. They reveal that between one and two percent of families “cut the size of children's meals” or report that “children were hungry” or “skipped meals.” And only one tenth of one percent of families reported that “children did not eat for a whole day.” These findings do not suggest, to say the least, an epidemic of childhood hunger. The USDA’s most direct measures yield a childhood hunger rate between one and two in a hundred, not one in five.

Are One In Five American Children Hungry?

The "studies of poor households" referred to in this article occurred in 2005.according to a Heritage Foundation report. The poverty level for a family of 3 in 2004 was $14,974. Does anyone here actually believe that for families of 3 making less than $15,000/year almost half own their own home? They can't even afford to rent an apartment. In fact a real study showed that a family making the median income in America today can't afford the median apartment price.
 

HankD

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The reason for child hunger in America has already been given - irresponsible adults.

Being a former JFK Democrat (now a Pro-life Libertarian) I still admit that there are social and governmental inequities which contribute to that irresponsibility.
 

David Kent

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I think that is why schools feed breakfast and lunch and now are open even in the summer for that. But I agree that mostly American children are overweight. The Great Society welfare program of Democrat Lyndon Johnson destroyed families. FDR, no friend of anyone, said that welfare was a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human soul. It is degrading to be able-bodied and to have the government take over your home.

Jamie Oliver, a chef over here was appalled at the quality of the school lunches, and started a campaign to get them to supply more healthy diets. He succeeded to a point but some parents came and handed junk food to their children over the gates.

He showed the children how chicken nuggets are made, mixing all the bits which would not eat, and asked the children if yjeu would eat that and theall said "NO". Then he put them in a blender and then rolled them in balls and coating them in breadcrumbs and asked again if the would eat them and again they said "No".

Now I dont know anything about the US lunches, But I did see a TV prog where Jamie was invited to America but was banned from most schools. However one school allowed him in and he did the same chicken nugget demonstration as before and the reaction wasx the same till the end when they all said "Yes." He said "I am amazed, they see the familiar shape and go by that."
In a class of six year olds he took a selection of common vegetables, and held them up but not one child could name any of them. They didnt even know that fries came from potatoes.

Jamie was invited to the home of a very overweight family. He looked in the freezer and it was full of pizzas and frozen fries, He taught them how to make simple easy meals. The 12 year old was so overweight he arranged e medical check up for him. The Dr looked at him and saidthe thought he had diabetes, but after examining him he said that he didn't but if he didnt change his diet he soon would. Jamie said he couldnt believe that a 12 year old could go through the education system witht ever having as medical check. I cant remember where that was but he said it was the most obese city in the most obese state in the most obese nation.
 

church mouse guy

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Jamie Oliver, a chef over here was appalled at the quality of the school lunches, and started a campaign to get them to supply more healthy diets. He succeeded to a point but some parents came and handed junk food to their children over the gates.

He showed the children how chicken nuggets are made, mixing all the bits which would not eat, and asked the children if yjeu would eat that and theall said "NO". Then he put them in a blender and then rolled them in balls and coating them in breadcrumbs and asked again if the would eat them and again they said "No".

Now I dont know anything about the US lunches, But I did see a TV prog where Jamie was invited to America but was banned from most schools. However one school allowed him in and he did the same chicken nugget demonstration as before and the reaction wasx the same till the end when they all said "Yes." He said "I am amazed, they see the familiar shape and go by that."
In a class of six year olds he took a selection of common vegetables, and held them up but not one child could name any of them. They didnt even know that fries came from potatoes.

Jamie was invited to the home of a very overweight family. He looked in the freezer and it was full of pizzas and frozen fries, He taught them how to make simple easy meals. The 12 year old was so overweight he arranged e medical check up for him. The Dr looked at him and saidthe thought he had diabetes, but after examining him he said that he didn't but if he didnt change his diet he soon would. Jamie said he couldnt believe that a 12 year old could go through the education system witht ever having as medical check. I cant remember where that was but he said it was the most obese city in the most obese state in the most obese nation.

It is really quite local because the country is so large. I live in a high-income area and we don't hear much about school lunches because we are a new city and do not have a newspaper or radio station. Generally, American school lunches are okay but sort of one size fits all.

Here is a good idea for a vegan lunch for you, David, beer and French fries.
 

HankD

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Having grown up per-adolescent to adolescence in real poverty, I know one thing:

I would have and did eat chicken in the absolute worse condition possible.
Government Surplus canned chicken! One chicken per can, hardly recognizable as a chicken.

We lived in a housing project in NOLA off Jackson Ave. Even in those days plenty of help was available.

Government surplus food was one of the helps - no government food stamps in those days.
The food was obtainable at a Salvation Army facility about 10 blocks from the projects.
I had a cart. Myself, and other neighborhood kids would make the weekly trek.

Lots of beans and rice. A staple food in the south.
 
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David Kent

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It is really quite local because the country is so large. I live in a high-income area and we don't hear much about school lunches because we are a new city and do not have a newspaper or radio station. Generally, American school lunches are okay but sort of one size fits all.

Here is a good idea for a vegan lunch for you, David, beer and French fries.

I am not vegan, nor even vrgetarian, but my wife is vegetarian, not by choice but when she was born, she was allergic to the cod liver oil and halibut liver oil which children were given for vitamins as it was the war and as food was rationed. You either had the full ration which wasnt much or a vegetarian ration with included extra cheese instead of meat.

One of my daughters is allergic to fish, even small amounts as in Worcestershire sauce.

Here is an intersting video for you.

He says todays children are expected to live up to 10 years less that their parents. You will need to excuse his Essex accent. Or more acurate, Estuary English.
 

777

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Oh yeah, I used to watch that James Oliver show. The first season was in Huntington, WV, then he zoomed in on some monstrous school district in Los Angeles. Found it pathetic that James held up some tomatoes to a bunch of first-graders and none of them knew what it was.

Childhood obesity seems to be correlated to poverty and to rural areas and inner cities, have no idea why, it's counter-intuitive. Never been a vegan. sounds too boring to me. James Oliver isn't one, either, and his Huntington project really didn't work:

Five years after the 'Food Revolution,' stats remain the same; still, experts optimistic

Stuck revolution, but he was instrumental in getting rid of pink slime, which is just gross.
 
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