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Are there any prophets and Apostles in the Church today then?
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JD Greear (recent SBC President, 2018-21) has identified two: David Platt & Mark Dever:
J.D. Greear, Pastor, Author, Theologian • Are There Modern Day Prophets in the Church?
Greear: "I am very grateful for the prophets God has raised up"
Greear: "my friend David Platt....another example: Mark Dever"
Greear: "God is using them to speak to us. We must heed the message being given and ask God what we need to do with the truths they embody"
J.D. Greear, Pastor, Author, Theologian • Are There Modern Day Prophets in the Church?
Greear: "I am very grateful for the prophets God has raised up"
Greear: "my friend David Platt....another example: Mark Dever"
Greear: "God is using them to speak to us. We must heed the message being given and ask God what we need to do with the truths they embody"
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FBC Dallas’s Robert Jeffress, too.
Paige Patterson has declared it:
Paige Patterson Ministries
“Pastor Jeffress…The spirit of the prophet dwells in you because you follow God’s Word even if no one else sees it….the mantle of Elijah has fallen around your shoulders....Let Jeffress be heard!”
Paige Patterson has declared it:
Paige Patterson Ministries
“Pastor Jeffress…The spirit of the prophet dwells in you because you follow God’s Word even if no one else sees it….the mantle of Elijah has fallen around your shoulders....Let Jeffress be heard!”
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None in the sense that these people mean.
Cessationism. Have the Sign Gifts Ceased?
Isaiah 8:20. ‘To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.’ First of all, I’d like to explain what I mean by …
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Even though we already have more sure word of prophecy in bible, and unlike those 2 men, were 100 % accurate and infallible on theology?
So sad
Interesting that only heretical cults for 2000 years claimed to have such still in the church, and yet now many 'Christian churches" falling into same things Mormons and sda state about themNone in the sense that these people mean.
Cessationism. Have the Sign Gifts Ceased?
Isaiah 8:20. ‘To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.’ First of all, I’d like to explain what I mean by …
atpollard
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Sure, why not ... "prophets" with a little "p" and "apostles" with a little "a". A "prophet" at its core just means someone that heard something from God and repeated what he heard to others. I don't find it inconceivable that God still opens the eyes and ears and minds and hearts of his people to reveal truth to individuals like he revealed to Simon that "You are the Christ, son of the living God" ... and they might pass on what they learn. In the same way, an "apostle" just means "sent" and every true missionary is probably "sent" by God.
Now when one speaks of "Prophets" (with a big P) and Apostles (with a big A) like Samuel and Elisha and Peter and Paul ... that's something completely different. Could the NATIONS use a messenger from God with a definitive word to set the "kings" and "people" back on the right path ... Youbecha. Could the CHURCHES (yup plural) use a genuine APOSTLE with complete authority to correct everything they (we) are getting way off track [Like Corinth and Ephesus and the other NT Churches] ... Youbecha.
However, we seem to be living in times a lot closer to the period between Chronicles and John the Baptist. God said everything that we need to hear (and everything that God intends to say). It has been written down and it is read aloud in public. Lack of instructions is not the problem. Back then, God was observing a period of silence because the next time he SPOKE, what God had to say would shake the very foundations of the earth. When God broke his silence, he sent John the baptist and Jesus and Apostles (with a big A) to change EVERYTHING!
Now we are in another quiet period. God may whisper something to a Judas Maccabees and grant his people a brief respite, or open the eyes of a Gamaliel to a glimpse of truth, but when God speaks again ... at Jesus return in GLORY ... it will shake more than the foundations of the earth. It will shake all of Heaven and Earth!
So a small 'p' and 'a', maybe, but we are past the time for a big 'P' and 'A' ... next stop is "KING OF KING AND LORD OF LORDS".
As for "Prophets and Apostles" ... to quote M.C. Hammer ... they "Can't touch this!"
Charasmatics elevate those so called Prophets and Apostles to being both BigSure, why not ... "prophets" with a little "p" and "apostles" with a little "a". A "prophet" at its core just means someone that heard something from God and repeated what he heard to others. I don't find it inconceivable that God still opens the eyes and ears and minds and hearts of his people to reveal truth to individuals like he revealed to Simon that "You are the Christ, son of the living God" ... and they might pass on what they learn. In the same way, an "apostle" just means "sent" and every true missionary is probably "sent" by God.
Now when one speaks of "Prophets" (with a big P) and Apostles (with a big A) like Samuel and Elisha and Peter and Paul ... that's something completely different. Could the NATIONS use a messenger from God with a definitive word to set the "kings" and "people" back on the right path ... Youbecha. Could the CHURCHES (yup plural) use a genuine APOSTLE with complete authority to correct everything they (we) are getting way off track [Like Corinth and Ephesus and the other NT Churches] ... Youbecha.
However, we seem to be living in times a lot closer to the period between Chronicles and John the Baptist. God said everything that we need to hear (and everything that God intends to say). It has been written down and it is read aloud in public. Lack of instructions is not the problem. Back then, God was observing a period of silence because the next time he SPOKE, what God had to say would shake the very foundations of the earth. When God broke his silence, he sent John the baptist and Jesus and Apostles (with a big A) to change EVERYTHING!
Now we are in another quiet period. God may whisper something to a Judas Maccabees and grant his people a brief respite, or open the eyes of a Gamaliel to a glimpse of truth, but when God speaks again ... at Jesus return in GLORY ... it will shake more than the foundations of the earth. It will shake all of Heaven and Earth!
So a small 'p' and 'a', maybe, but we are past the time for a big 'P' and 'A' ... next stop is "KING OF KING AND LORD OF LORDS".
As for "Prophets and Apostles" ... to quote M.C. Hammer ... they "Can't touch this!"
atpollard
Well-Known Member
Yup ... to their folly.
I always tease them that we (I attended a Pentecostal Church) needed a pile of STONES next to the raised area at the front of the Church. When a person had a "WORD FROM GOD" we needed to first read the instructions from the OT [Deut 18:20-22] about what happens if a Prophet speaks a word in My Name that I have not commanded and then ask them "How sure are you that this word is from God?"
Silverhair
Well-Known Member
Sure, why not ... "prophets" with a little "p" and "apostles" with a little "a". A "prophet" at its core just means someone that heard something from God and repeated what he heard to others. I don't find it inconceivable that God still opens the eyes and ears and minds and hearts of his people to reveal truth to individuals like he revealed to Simon that "You are the Christ, son of the living God" ... and they might pass on what they learn. In the same way, an "apostle" just means "sent" and every true missionary is probably "sent" by God.
Now when one speaks of "Prophets" (with a big P) and Apostles (with a big A) like Samuel and Elisha and Peter and Paul ... that's something completely different. Could the NATIONS use a messenger from God with a definitive word to set the "kings" and "people" back on the right path ... Youbecha. Could the CHURCHES (yup plural) use a genuine APOSTLE with complete authority to correct everything they (we) are getting way off track [Like Corinth and Ephesus and the other NT Churches] ... Youbecha.
However, we seem to be living in times a lot closer to the period between Chronicles and John the Baptist. God said everything that we need to hear (and everything that God intends to say). It has been written down and it is read aloud in public. Lack of instructions is not the problem. Back then, God was observing a period of silence because the next time he SPOKE, what God had to say would shake the very foundations of the earth. When God broke his silence, he sent John the baptist and Jesus and Apostles (with a big A) to change EVERYTHING!
Now we are in another quiet period. God may whisper something to a Judas Maccabees and grant his people a brief respite, or open the eyes of a Gamaliel to a glimpse of truth, but when God speaks again ... at Jesus return in GLORY ... it will shake more than the foundations of the earth. It will shake all of Heaven and Earth!
So a small 'p' and 'a', maybe, but we are past the time for a big 'P' and 'A' ... next stop is "KING OF KING AND LORD OF LORDS".
As for "Prophets and Apostles" ... to quote M.C. Hammer ... they "Can't touch this!"
Spot on brother
Tenchi
Active Member
Check out Doug Geivett and Holly Pivec's work on the N.A.R. movement.:
www.hollypivec.com
"Counterfeit Kingdom: The Danger of New Revelation, New Prophets and New Age Practices in the Church." by Holly Pivec/Doug Geivett.
"A New Apostolic Reformation?: A Biblical Response to a Worldwide Movement." By Holly Pivec/Doug Geivett.
They confuse the offices of prophets and apostles with propetic gift, as one in a church assemble lgives forth utterance that always needs to be checked against bible, and will never give extra revelation. No Prophets/Apostles in biblical sense today who can speak and write insptred revelations though.Yup ... to their folly.
I always tease them that we (I attended a Pentecostal Church) needed a pile of STONES next to the raised area at the front of the Church. When a person had a "WORD FROM GOD" we needed to first read the instructions from the OT [Deut 18:20-22] about what happens if a Prophet speaks a word in My Name that I have not commanded and then ask them "How sure are you that this word is from God?"
of course that is how AOG would see it, as used to be an elder in AOG church. but now as Baptists, see no prophetic utterances happening today, as God does all of His speaking thru the bible itself
Due to few checking all claims and theology against the bible, as many in Charisma Chaos take the teachings and pronouncement of their favorites as "thus sayeth the Lord"
She was right on concerning the extreme dangers of modern day apostles and prophets, as many holding to that view have gone off into aberrant and in many cases, heresy
Hazelelponi
New Member
Deuteronomy 18:18 (ESV): “I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.”
I believe Biblically,, the prophetic office might continue in a very strictly ministerial sense, but not a revelatory one. That might mean someone possibly could be “prophetic” when they:
- Boldly proclaim God’s Word.
- Speak truth in a way that convicts and guides God’s people.
- Call people to repentance, much like the OT prophets did.
But they don’t receive new revelation — that ended with the closing of the canon, per most reputable and biblically sound theologians.
Although both would certainly cringe at the notion, I would consider people like Spurgeon or Calvin in this sense, as they were highly influential in spreading the Gospel in their time, and it was real and foundational after having the written word in hand. If not prophetic perhaps they might have been apostolic.
Though in our day such a notion could not be confirmed. But I might think so anyway.
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That Moses prophecy fulfilled in the Person of Jesus, and think some see m modern day apostles as NOT being of office as the NT ones were, no signs and wonders gifts operating, but more like being authority from God to start up and have authority over missions fields, with modern prophets pastors gifted to be able to tale and expalin and apply bible prophecies into modern settings
Key is that NONE exercise today just as OT prophets and NT apostles did back then
Hazelelponi
New Member
I'm fairly certain I agree with you.
I do have a little more difficult time following what others are trying to communicate sometimes, sorry .