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Are there Fundamentalist Calvinist Baptists then?

Martin Marprelate

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The difference between Calvinists and others is their teaching that only a very small predetermined group will ever have the capacity to believe this
This is entirely incorrect.
Firstly, you cannot prove that any more people will be saved under Arminianism than under Calvinism.
Secondly, we are told that on the Last Day there will be a 'great multitude, which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb.' So what makes you think that you can number them when God says that no one can do so, and declare them to be, in your own words, "a very small number"? Who are you to contradict God?
Thirdly, what are these people all declaring? "Salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb." They confess that salvation is not up to them - and certainly not up to you - but that it belongs to God.
 

Ascetic X

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Firstly, you cannot prove that any more people will be saved under Arminianism than under Calvinism.
Secondly, we are told that on the Last Day there will be a 'great multitude, which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb.' So what makes you think that you can number them when God says that no one can do so, and declare them to be, in your own words, "a very small number"? Who are you to contradict God?
Compared to the lost, unsaved who perish, those who enter heaven will be a small number. Even though a great multitude will be in heaven, a much larger multitude will, sadly, be somewhere else, according to Jesus.

Matthew 7:14

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 

Martin Marprelate

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Compared to the lost, unsaved who perish, those who enter heaven will be a small number. Even though a great multitude will be in heaven, a much larger multitude will, sadly, be somewhere else, according to Jesus.

Matthew 7:14

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Again, you are counting the number that God says no man can count and finding it insufficient. In other words, you are blaming God.
Why not leave the numbers to God and simply obey His word? '"Go to the street corners and inviteto the banquet anyone you find." So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, both good and bad....' (Matt. 22:9-10, NIV). When we do that, we shall find on the Last Day that, '....the wedding hall was filled with guests.'
And that will be true whether you are Arminian or Calvinist. :D
My take on Matt. 7:14 is that no one actually finds the narrow way because no one seeks it (Romans 3:11 etc.). It is when God opens a person's heart to do so that he will seek, and then, "Everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks the door will be opened."

My church will be attempting an outreach in our town next month, calling on at least 800 houses to give a copy of Luke's Gospel to each one, and witnessing in the town centre. Please pray for us, for 'unless the LORD builds the house, the labourers work in vain.'
 
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