Are There Modern day Apostles and prophets?

[JesusFan]

Since we DO have still evangelists and pastors and teachers, are the other 2 offices still open than?

 

[DHK]

Since we DO have still evangelists and pastors and teachers, are the other 2 offices still open than?

Only if you are a Mormon.

 

[stilllearning]

No, because the Bible is already completed.

 

[freeatlast]

Since we DO have still evangelists and pastors and teachers, are the other 2 offices still open than?

The bible tells us who the Apostles were and if I remember correctly they have all died.
As to prophets not in the sense of new revelation, but every person who speaks the word of God is a prophet.

 

[Iconoclast]

:applause::laugh:

Only if you are a Mormon.

:laugh::laugh:

 

[JesusFan]

Only if you are a Mormon.[/QUOTE

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Just was asking what scripture verses are used to support that some offices ceased, while others stayed open?

asking, because there are SOME in my church might hold to them being in operation for today!

 

[freeatlast]

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Just was asking what scripture verses are used to support that some offices ceased, while others stayed open?

asking, because there are SOME in my church might hold to them being in operation for today!

There are probably SOME in your church who think we never went to the moon. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Just was asking what scripture verses are used to support that some offices ceased, while others stayed open?

asking, because there are SOME in my church might hold to them being in operation for today!

Well, leaving aside Acts 1:21-2 which lays down the criteria for an apostle and is confirmed by 1Cor 9:1; 15:8-9, I would go for Eph 2:20. How many foundations does a building have? And when is the foundation laid?

End of story. Have nothing to do with any church where the leaders call themselves apostles or prophets.

Steve

 

[JesusFan]

Well, leaving aside Acts 1:21-2 which lays down the criteria for an apostle and is confirmed by 1Cor 9:1; 15:8-9, I would go for Eph 2:20. How many foundations does a building have? And when is the foundation laid?

End of story. Have nothing to do with any church where the leaders call themselves apostles or prophets.

Steve

My pastors and Elders do NOT hold to modern day Apostles/prophets , as we hold that Jesus is chief cornerstone, with Apostles/prophets of NT laying down the teaching foundation to build upon!

Thanks for the verses, will adress those holding to them for today with them!

 

[Deacon]

According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it.
1 Corinthians 3:10 (ESV)

Good thread!

Apostles received their message (the foundation) directly from Messiah Jesus.
Most Christians believe God's word to his chosen was completed in the NT.
I’m particularly suspicious of those that claim they have a direct message from our Lord.

The Greek word for Apostle is translated 3X as ‘messenger’ - John 13:16; 2 Corinthians 8:23; Philippians 2:25;

75 times it is translated, apostle.

2X the word apostle is differentiated by the word “special” [Greek - hyperlian] – 2 Corinthians 11:5; 12:11;

In 1 Corinthians 4 Paul’s service as an apostle is distinguished from that of Apollos who was a significant and charismatic leader of the Corinthian church.
Paul notes in the same chapter that the apostles were a humbled bunch.

I think some Christians today use the word in the general ‘messenger’ sense but use the term to promote themselves above others.

That tells me that they are NOT apostles.

Rob

 

[Tom Butler]

Hebrews 1:1-2 sheds some light on the subject.

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

The writer clearly says God spoke "in time past" to the prophets.

Now, "these last days," he has spoken through the Son.

We know what the Son says through the scriptures, and only through the scriptures.

 

[DHK]

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Just was asking what scripture verses are used to support that some offices ceased, while others stayed open?

asking, because there are SOME in my church might hold to them being in operation for today!

Best advice I can give is: Find another church.

 

[JesusFan]

Best advice I can give is: Find another church.

Why would i be doing that though?

pastors/Elders do NOT hold to such, just a few attenders, just asking how to biblical confron thtem on this issue?

 

[JesusFan]

According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and someone else is building upon it. Let each one take care how he builds upon it.
1 Corinthians 3:10 (ESV)

Good thread!

Apostles received their message (the foundation) directly from Messiah Jesus.
Most Christians believe God's word to his chosen was completed in the NT.
I’m particularly suspicious of those that claim they have a direct message from our Lord.

YES!

Even IF one holds to Gifts still operational today, there will be NO revelation happening as per the NT Apostles/Prophets were geting from God!

Just curious, was there a secondary sense to term Apostles? Like Banrabus was called such, were those inspired by God to write scripture primary ones?

Also, was tjhere the office of a prophet in NT, and also the gift of prophesy functioning?
The Greek word for Apostle is translated 3X as ‘messenger’ - John 13:16; 2 Corinthians 8:23; Philippians 2:25;

75 times it is translated, apostle.

2X the word apostle is differentiated by the word “special” [Greek - hyperlian] – 2 Corinthians 11:5; 12:11;

In 1 Corinthians 4 Paul’s service as an apostle is distinguished from that of Apollos who was a significant and charismatic leader of the Corinthian church.
Paul notes in the same chapter that the apostles were a humbled bunch.

I think some Christians today use the word in the general ‘messenger’ sense but use the term to promote themselves above others.

That tells me that they are NOT apostles.

Rob

Just seeing if the problem might be that what one group calls Apostles/prophets, might mean it in the sense as the NT times, which are NOT today, but what if used in a more general sense?

 

[Tom Butler]

Why would i be doing that though?

pastors/Elders do NOT hold to such, just a few attenders, just asking how to biblical confron thtem on this issue?

Quote Hebrews 1:1-2 to them.

 

[Tom Butler]

In the Old Testament ((Deuteronomy 18) The primary test of a true prophet of God is that what they prophesy comes true. 100% correct, 100% of the time

If they blow a prophecy, they are not of God.

You might remind them what they did to false prophets back then. They killed them.

 

[JesusFan]

In the Old Testament ((Deuteronomy 18) The

primary test of a true prophet of God is that what they prophesy comes true. 100% correct, 100% of the time

If they blow a prophecy, they are not of God.

You might remind them what they did to false prophets back then. They killed them.[/QUOTE

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Many would have been killed off by God today if he strictly enforced this still, most of them being the "modern day: Apostles/prophets showing up on the jan and paul Crouch network!