Are those who condone the mass murders of Israel a reproach to the cause of Christ?

[dad2]

It isn't.

Dad2, how old are you?

I ask because I am only in my mid 50's and I can remember the PLO and the rise of Hamas. But all of the history (including fairly recent history) seems foreign to you. The land once belonged to Israel. Prime Minister Meir was a Ukrainian immigrant to Palestine. Palestine belonged to the Ottoman Empire until the end of WW1, and then was controlled by England.

Palestine has had the opportunity to be its own country (a two-state solution) since 1947. Israel supported this, however the Arabs rejected the plan (they did not want an all Palestine state).

The fact is Israel is responding to a mass murder committed by Palestinians under the government of Hamas with the support of Iran and Lebanon.

No. They are ruining Gaza and mass murdering the people. If they ever happened to get a hamas in the death toll by accident, that is no excuse for the terrorism they inflict on a population.

Their goal for decades has been to exist in peace.

Then perhaps they should not have forced over 700,000 people out and stole their lands, and put up barbed wire around a population, restricting their lives, travel, etc. in virtual prison camps. That is begging for war not some goal for peace.

The initial goal of Hamas was create a Palestinian state along side Israel, however their current goal is the PLO goal - exterminate the Jews.

Who cares what the goal of terrorists is? They are not the issue. The mass murder of civilians and inhuman treatment of a population is the issue. No excuses possible

Israel actually won the right to the Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and the entire Sanai Peninsula. They won this when they defeated Egypt, Jordan, and Seria in 1967.

So the oppressed were not able to take it back, so that means Israel has 'rights'?

They withdrew for peace. Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

Not from control. No airport, sea port, freedom of travel, etc etc. It looks like they took out their soldiers so they would not be killed for their own benefit, rather than some magnanimous gesture.

The problem is Israel's enemies will not stop until Israel ceases to exist. This is what "to the river and the sea" means.

That depends on who is using the term. When Israel uses it, it means something else. The issue is not what women and children are supposedly thinking or believing when they get blown to hell in the street or their homes. The issue is the wanton destruction terrorism and mass murders being committed against a population (rather than criminals)

I do understand why we, as Christians, give over lives lost on both sides. I do not understand why you side with the terrorists - the ones who actually committed mass murder.

Children and civilians are not terrorists. They are the oppressed. The innocent. I do not see how you can equate the ruination of a country and deprivation of basic needs, and non stop bombing and literal mass murder of people with 'siding with terrorists'. If you can go in and kill those who actually are terrorists, do it. Do not bomblast the civilians. God no likey

 

[dad2]

Russia claims to be Christian. Get off your keyboard and go join your Anti-Zionist brethren in Russia.

No need. God is putting His hook into their jaw and they will come likey or no likey

Surely, according to you, devouring Israel would be a worthy cause.

Stopping their mass murder is a wonderful cause.

YOU have judged Israel, now get off your behind and execute YOUR judgment. Go put your skin in the game.

We also judge Hitler and other tyrants when their actions scream out for rebuke. Scripture says help the fatherless and widows, feed the poor, not torture and mass murder them! This is news? Those who commit such acts judge themselves.

I'm sure you will have the blessings of the Russian Orthodox Priests and the Islamic Supremacist Imams. Of a certainty, they shall come forth to their slaughter claiming to be doing God's bidding.

If they have enough sense to know good from evil, then bully for them!

I'm perfectly content with the Sovereignty of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Apparently you do not know Him, because in case this is news, Jesus loves the little children! ALL the little children of the world. Not just the little unbelievers in Israel.

 

[dad2]

The problem is Israel went to war to stop the mass murder of its citizens.

Says who? You do not level a country, deprive a population, and mass murder them in defence. Period.

To say Israel should not have gone ti war is to say mass murder is fine as long as it is Jews being murdered.

Go get the killers! Leave the children alone! To say killing the children is something that needs to be done to protect your children is less than laughable.

With war there are civilian casualties,

With terrorism there are also civilian casualties as we see today. Of course the terrorists like to call it 'war'.

especially when your enemy is using civilians as human shields and placing it military infrastructure in civilian areas.

No one knows who is in the streets and hospitals and schools and camps and apartments when they are bombed actually. So if you claim there were 'human shields' or terrorists in there you would be making it up.
By the way, the idea of someone actually using a human shield is that you will not kill them, because you have some modicum of decency more than they do. Obviously that is not the case for Israel.

We know, for example, that Hamas was using schools and hospitals as military centers.

If you believe the IDF after the fact, maybe.


[/QUOTE] We know rockets were being fired from civilian apartment buildings and being manufactured in those same buildings. We know hostages were being kept by Hamas in refugee camps. [/QUOTE]

Or you simply claim they were for every hospital and apartment and school and camp you murder. Who actually knows?

If a shooter in an apartment in new York was seen, do you think they need to level the apartment block, or all of the city to deal with him?

I would have had a bit more sympathy for your comments had you begun by condemning Palestine for the mass murder of Israeli civilians.

Palestine murdered no one. Some terrorists from Palestine killed some people.They also, as Israel does, took some hostages. We do not condemn the children because a criminal lives in their hood.

 

[dad2]

I am understanding your beliefs more and more.

You think the dead babies were a "silly story" and that the rapes were "made up"?

Secretary of State Anthony Blinken was shown images of the bloody and dead children and babies. Some reporters were shown and made the decision not to display them on television.

No one is "cheerleading" Israel's war.

The entirety of the Middle East is on my prayer list and HAS been No one wants this to continue. I pray for protection and for salvation of Muslim and Jew alike and have for YEARS.

But YOU. Your beliefs are quite clear. And they are disturbing.

If your credible witness is Blinkin, I rest my case! What is disturbing here is so called christians that justify mass murdering terrorists. I never justified the Palestinian criminals and killers! You have tried to justify the mass murders of israel.

 

[Scarlett O.]

What is disturbing here is so called christians that justify mass murdering terrorists. I never justified the Palestinian criminals and killers! You have tried to justify the mass murders of israel.

This is the second time you have questioned the salvation of people here at this board. That's a violation of the TOS.

I'm closing the thread. You need to go and cool off.

 

[JonC]

No. They are ruining Gaza and mass murdering the people. If they ever happened to get a hamas in the death toll by accident, that is no excuse for the terrorism they inflict on a population.

Then perhaps they should not have forced over 700,000 people out and stole their lands, and put up barbed wire around a population, restricting their lives, travel, etc. in virtual prison camps. That is begging for war not some goal for peace.

Who cares what the goal of terrorists is? They are not the issue. The mass murder of civilians and inhuman treatment of a population is the issue. No excuses possible

So the oppressed were not able to take it back, so that means Israel has 'rights'?

Not from control. No airport, sea port, freedom of travel, etc etc. It looks like they took out their soldiers so they would not be killed for their own benefit, rather than some magnanimous gesture.

That depends on who is using the term. When Israel uses it, it means something else. The issue is not what women and children are supposedly thinking or believing when they get blown to hell in the street or their homes. The issue is the wanton destruction terrorism and mass murders being committed against a population (rather than criminals)


Children and civilians are not terrorists. They are the oppressed. The innocent. I do not see how you can equate the ruination of a country and deprivation of basic needs, and non stop bombing and literal mass murder of people with 'siding with terrorists'. If you can go in and kill those who actually are terrorists, do it. Do not bomblast the civilians. God no likey

You have been spending too much time reading propaganda.

Israel is not, in fact, bombing civilians. They are attacking terrorists who are hiding among the people who actually (the adults, and "Christians") support terrorism. You, if over 50, have an extradionary short memory.

Israel has struck military targets with very few exceptions (which Israel acknowledged and admitted it was a mistake, as occurrs in every war).

You blame Israel for striking munition factories in apartments instead of blaming Hamas for putting it there and citizens for supporting the effort.

You are obviously antisemitic (hate Jewish people) and an anti-zionist (against Israel's existance).