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Are we now living in the Messainic Age promised thru the OT Prophets/NT Apostles?
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ALL hold to that who are real Christians...
Question for you is how can jesus be reigning right now over the earth as God intended for Him, and yet still have wars/diseases/false religions?
The Bible states under his reign, there shall be none of the above allowed to happen, correct?
Yoi seem to be one who holds to the Confessions, and yet seem to also deny that they teach a post mil/A mil position regarding eschatology, and that they also have jesus ruling from heaven since his ascension...
Why is that?
OldRegular
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Scripture has been presented showing God is Sovereign and reigns, correct?
Can you present Scripture showing God is not Sovereign and does not reign?
Where does the bible state that? I disagree with DHK 80% of the time...but at least he presents scripture that he believes supports his view...Everyone is asking you to support your view from scripture.
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This is what I am talking about. It is obvious that you make such statements and do not know what you are talking about at all.
here is the 1689 conf...it seems certain that you have not read it....where do you see a post or amill stand....or where Jesus is reigning from????
Chapter 32: Of the Last Judgment
1. God hath appointed a day wherein he will judge the world in righteousness, by Jesus Christ; to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father; in which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged, but likewise all persons that have lived upon the earth shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds, and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil. ( Acts 17:31; John 5:22, 27; 1 Corinthians 6:3; Jude 6; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Ecclesiastes 12:14; Matthew 12:36; Romans 14:10, 12; Matthew 25:32-46 )
2. The end of God's appointing this day, is for the manifestation of the glory of his mercy, in the eternal salvation of the elect; and of his justice, in the eternal damnation of the reprobate, who are wicked and disobedient; for then shall the righteous go into everlasting life, and receive that fulness of joy and glory with everlasting rewards, in the presence of the Lord; but the wicked, who know not God, and obey not the gospel of Jesus Christ, shall be cast aside into everlasting torments, and punished with everlasting destruction, from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power. ( Romans 9:22, 23; Matthew 25:21, 34; 2 Timothy 4:8; Matthew 25:46; Mark 9:48; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 )
3. As Christ would have us to be certainly persuaded that there shall be a day of judgment, both to deter all men from sin, and for the greater consolation of the godly in their adversity, so will he have the day unknown to men, that they may shake off all carnal security, and be always watchful, because they know not at what hour the Lord will come, and may ever be prepared to say, Come Lord Jesus; come quickly. Amen. ( 2 Corinthians 5:10, 11; 2 Thessalonians 1:5-7; Mark 13:35-37; Luke 12:35-40; Revelation 22:20 )
prove your statements...or admit you are just pulling things out of your posterior.:thumbs::thumbs:
better still....can he produce scripture on anything???
OldRegular
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He has not shown any yet!
Everyone has explained to you that no one really believes that, but you persist.
Just like the false ideas expressed in your little circles from the four spiritual flaws tract. Your ideas are not according to scripture.
OldRegular
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I do not accept replacement theology whatever that might be. I believe in continuation theology. The Church is the continuation of the true believers in Israel, some call them Spiritual Israel, and the true believers outside Israel such as Job, Noah, Melchizedek, Abraham, and many more!
The Baptist Faith and Message [Section VI] adopted by the Southern Baptist Convention in Atlanta, Georgia on June 14, 2000, says it well:
Can you show where the perfect Will of God gets done here on earth BEFORE Seconfd Coming of Christ?
thisnumbersdisconnected
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Essentially, it is what you've expressed as your beliefs on this a couple other recent threads.
OldRegular
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I have never said the Church replaced Israel. I said the New Testament Church is a continuation of the "true believers" in national Israel, like the 7000 that God told Elijah had not bowed the knee to BaaL
That would mean that the Church existed as isreal in the Old covenant, and got relabled as the church now under the new One, correct?
OldRegular
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You might find the remarks of Isaac Watts on this issue interesting! post #85 at http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=94778&page=9
was there ever a time in the New Covenat when a christian was called an isrealite, or that they were of Isreal, instead of being in the church?
OldRegular
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There are those under the New Covenant who were Israelites or Jews. In fact the first Christians were all Jews!
Christians are the true Jews:
Rom 2:28-29 HCSB - For a person is not a Jew who is one outwardly, and true circumcision is not something visible in the flesh. On the contrary, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart -- by the Spirit, not the letter. That man's praise is not from men but from God.
Phl 3:2-3 HCSB - Watch out for "dogs," watch out for evil workers, watch out for those who mutilate the flesh. For we are the circumcision, the ones who serve by the Spirit of God, boast in Christ Jesus, and do not put confidence in the flesh --
No they are not. The nation of Israel still exists. Paul was not deluded when he prayed for the nation of Israel.
Romans 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
This is scripture is taken out of context.
Consider first the context of Romans in general:
Chapter one: God's condemnation of the Gentile.
Chapter two: God's condemnation of the Jew.
Chapter three: God's condemnation of both Jew and Gentile.
In chapter two he specifically addresses the Jew. It has nothing to do with the Gentile. Some Scripture:
Romans 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
Romans 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
--The you is the "Jews" mentioned in verse 17.
So finally we come to the end of the chapter where the Jew is still being addressed:
Romans 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
There is not Gentile here, no Gentile believer. Verses 28 and 29 are the conclusion to this section where Paul has been addressing the Jews. A genuine Jew is not one who is one outwardly. His circumcision is meaningless if his heart isn't right with God. It is simply an outward physical rite and that is all. A genuine Jew is one inwardly and true circumcision is that of the heart and by the Spirit.
This is not speaking of Christians, but rather of Jews.
Again watch for the context.
We don't normally call people dogs. This was a metaphor. Paul was referring to Judaizers in particular, though the term in the past had been used to refer to Gentiles in general.
But these false teachers mutilated the flesh, that is, demanded circumcison, for salvation. They were the Judaizers, legalists.
The OT rite of circumcision was a sign of the covenant for the Jews.
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.
--The Judaizers boasted in the flesh; Paul put no confidence in the flesh. There is the contrast.
Given the context it is very possible that the "we" in "we are the circumcision," refers to Paul and the apostles.
From verse four onward he speaks of himself, biographical information, a defense of his apostleship:
Philippians 3:4-7 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
What a contrast to these Judaizers!
Note the contrast throughout is how the Judaizers boasted or put their confidence in the flesh. Paul's confidence was in the Lord. All throughout that is the contrast.
I believe he is identifying himself with the apostles:
Instead of "we" the Judaizers who came to you;
"we the apostles are the circumcision and have come to you."
In no way is he suggesting that Christians are Israelites. That is as far as one can get from the truth of this passage.
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