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Are we ready for a Pentacostal VP?
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EdSutton said:
This is rather interesting. Since when did the BB become the authority on salvation?
BaptistBeliever said:
Why does the U.S. spend more money per person?
Because the U.S. medical system provides equipment and treatments not available anywhere else or not as readily available anywhere else.
In many of the countries that you state have a superior system of health care many patients are sent home to wait and wait and wait and ultimately die without treatment.
Why do you think that so many people with money come to the U.S. for treatment instead of staying home to be treated by their supposed superior medical systems?
EdSutton said:Although I have already answered this (which response was apparently ignored, by all, since no one, including carpro has spelled "Pentecostal" correctly, as of yet), carpro here asks a very legitimate question, in answer to the OP title question. "Why not?" is indeed a very good question to a question! There is absolutely no "political" reason that a "Pentecostal" (Gov. Sarah Palin) either could or should be (or should not or could not be) elected as the next Vice-President, and one can say the same thing about a "Catholic" (Sen. Joseph Biden)!Uh- wrong answer to an un-asked question, here, not to mention the slur!
Despite that fact, that I can currently find more even reasons to oppose Sen. Barack Obama, than to oppose Sen. John McCain (and I can find several reasons to oppose Sen. McCain, as well as Rep. Bob Barr, Prof. Ralph Nader, and probably most of the other "Minor Party" candidates running for President, FTR), this implication is an absolute falsehood, and deserves to be exposed for what it is!
The particular religious and/or political views of any among Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Rev. Ed Kalnins, Dr. Otis Moss III, or Rev. Larry Kroon is not the issue, nor are their views germane to any question, here, although the "judgment" and/or "discernment" of Gov. Palin and/or Sen. Obama for the years of "sitting" under any such teaching, certainly is appropriate 'fodder' for this discussion.
And despite any perceived shortcomings of so-called "Black Liberation" and/or "Charismatic" Theology, and/or questions about "megachurches" such as Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ or the Wasilla Assembly of God, Wasilla Bible Church, or Juneau Christian Center (Exactly how large does a church have to be in an area of 8000 population or even 30,000, to qualify her as "mega", anyway?), all the above churches are at least generally "Orthodox Christian", in their proclamation of the triune God, Scripture, and salvation through the precious blood of the Lord Jesus Christ, on Mt. Moriah. [One of these days (if I manage to last that long on the BB
Sen. Obama (just as is Gov. Palin) is also on record many times as saying he is a Christian, that redemption comes through Christ, and was baptized nearly two decades ago (just as Gov. Palin was baptized some 3 decades ago).
Sen. Obama is definitley not a "non- Christian," by any 'permitted' BB definition, any more that Gov. Palin is a "non-Christian," and neither deserve these kinds of "dig(s)" or "slur(s)!"
Ed
Read about Senator Obama's "faith" in his own words from before the whole presidential thing came about. This is very telling...
http://falsani.blogspot.com/2008/04/barack-obama-2004-god-factor-interview.html
GG:
Do you believe in sin?
OBAMA:
Yes.
GG:
What is sin?
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.
GG:
What happens if you have sin in your life?
OBAMA:
I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.
The guy doesn't have a clue.
Do you believe in sin?
OBAMA:
Yes.
GG:
What is sin?
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.
GG:
What happens if you have sin in your life?
OBAMA:
I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.
The guy doesn't have a clue.
Exactly. Sad.
Back to the OP, yes, I believe God has graciously given this country one more chance. At least I hope so. I have perfect peace about this election now that Sarah is on the ticket.
From the evidence I've seen so far, she may be the next Deborah (like in OT time). Check out the link about Deborah here:
http://www.christianlibrary.org/authors/John_L_Kachelman_Jr/people-ot/deborah.htm
I see many similarities with Sarah Palin. And for those who whine about religion and politics, you might do well to read the story of Deborah in the OT.
Back to the OP, yes, I believe God has graciously given this country one more chance. At least I hope so. I have perfect peace about this election now that Sarah is on the ticket.
From the evidence I've seen so far, she may be the next Deborah (like in OT time). Check out the link about Deborah here:
http://www.christianlibrary.org/authors/John_L_Kachelman_Jr/people-ot/deborah.htm
I see many similarities with Sarah Palin. And for those who whine about religion and politics, you might do well to read the story of Deborah in the OT.
LeBuick said:
How many people go from here to France to get healthcare?
Not nearly as many as come here from France to get it.
Let's not model anything after France. The country punishes hard work (a nationally-mandated 35-hour work week), rewards mediocrity, and has a train wreck of an economy. As Bible-boy put it, why would we want to model ourselves after them?
As with any source, also keep in mind...rankings always include bias. For instance, a UN-based organization will almost always have an anti-US bias...just as Southern Baptists don't rank Disney as its #1 tourist destination. :laugh:
But promoting "rankings" means little to me, unless I can understand the agenda of the ones ranking.
Is healthcare in need of reforms? Yes.
Is government the answer? Well...the people who brought us FEMA, Congress, the IRS and it's incomprehensible Tax Code, antiquated traffic control and DMV computer systems, Walter Reed hosptital with its moldy walls and rodent problems.....no, government control is not the answer.
JustChristian
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annsni said:
Palin's "faith" requires baptism and speaking in tongues for salvation. Do you accept this belief?
JustChristian
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dragonfly said:
You're right. The Republicans simply cannot overcome Bush's record of the last 8 years. What a disaster!
I'd have no problem with a "saved" Pentacostal VP. My problem with Sarah Palin is that her husband was a registered Alaskan Independent Party for almost 7 years. Their goal is to have Alaska become an independent nation (check out their FAQ's on their web site. Sarah addressed the AIP in 2006 and 2008( check this out on youtube). On 6/08 she said that "Our leaders are sending U.S.soldiers out on a task from God". Isn't that what the extermist Muslim terriost believe? Look at the pork barrel projects Alaska has received under Sarah Palin? Her first year as governor, she requested $550 million in federal money or about $800 for every person in Alaska. As mayor of Wasilla she obtained $27 million in federal money or about $3500 for every person in the town of about 8000. Talk about a pork barrel spender!!! Vote on the issues, but LOOK at all the facts.
It's amazing what lengths the lefties are going to --- going to her former church where she was raised as a kid??? Gimme a break.
This is a far cry from Obama's association with his pastor -- where he attended as an adult. Plus, the issue with J. Wright had nothing to do with the doctrine of the UCC, instead it was the pastor's anti-American beliefs and rantings.
This is a far cry from Obama's association with his pastor -- where he attended as an adult. Plus, the issue with J. Wright had nothing to do with the doctrine of the UCC, instead it was the pastor's anti-American beliefs and rantings.
JustChristian
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LadyEagle said:
Los Angeles Times
Sarah Palin’s ties to Alaskan Independence Party are played down
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-aip3-2008sep03,0,6399468.story
The McCain campaign denies his running mate supports the party's separatist bent.
by Michael Finnegan, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 3, 2008
Tonight, Sarah Palin will be nominated as the Republican Party's choice for vice president of the United States.
But back home, she has cheered the work of a tiny party that long has pushed for a statewide vote on whether Alaska should secede from those same United States. And her husband, Todd, was a member of the party for seven years.
"Keep up the good work," Sarah Palin told members of the Alaskan Independence Party in a videotaped speech to their convention six months ago in Fairbanks. She wished the party luck on what she called its "inspiring convention."
The Alaskan Independence Party, founded in 1978, initially promoted "the Alaskan independence movement." But now, according to its website, "its primary goal is merely a vote on secession."
McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds said Tuesday that Palin did not support splitting Alaska off from the rest of the country. He sidestepped the question of whether she favored a statewide vote on secession.
Message to AIP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI
AIP web site
http://www.akip.org/introduction.html