are women weaker spiritual vessels then men?

First of all I'm going to be the brave one and not even get into this discussion... I am a man and I know better... I see few brothers have come to your defense... I wonder why ... Your on your own my brother ... Ladies I shall observe from a distance and keep my mouth shut! ... Brother Glen

 

Brother Glen,
Bill and I was wondering Brave One or SMART ONE?
Jeanne

[ January 20, 2003, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: Living by Faith ]

 

Thank you Dr. Bob for that great explanation of these passages. And Abiyah, I too have seen this many times too, but I wonder if that is the best way. Is that the way it is supposed to be.
I know of two places in the OT when the leaders were removed and these were both at times of judegements. Sorry the reference is not in my mind and I can't grab my Bible at this moment, but I know that one is Zedekiahs rebellion.
I have heard this taught that the reason so few men take their place of leadership is because we are under judgement. Of course if ladies would get in their places in the home it would help the men too.

HCL

 

Deleted because nobody cares what I have to say anymore.

[ January 21, 2003, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: WisdomSeeker ]

 

I agree with the Olive Branch...and would just like to add....men who are living according to God's word should be the leaders,(spiritually) in their homes and churches....I love learning from my husband,he is wiser and much more knowledgable of scripture than I am. We discuss God's word alot and I am often amazed at how like minded we are and yet,I learn from him,also. But,in regards to salvation,we all have access to God as beleievers and are on the *same plane* in regards to to our justification,sanctification...and our future in heaven. So,we equally have salvation,but we are the weaker vessel in many ways....

 

I don't think there is a single generalization that is universally true about one sex or the other (beyond those that specifically have to do with reproduction).

Joshua

 

Okay now that I have given it more thought, no is my answer. Everyone has a gift and it could be that understanding Doctrine is one for a certian man or a certian woman. I have a lot of questions about the Bible but I do understand the doctrine pretty well. I pick it up and it soaks in, with help from the Holy Spirit that is.
Love in Christ, Angie

[ January 20, 2003, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: Angie Miller ]

 

I don't think Deborah was spiritualy or doctrinly weak, and God choose her as a judge. Or was God wrong and should have choosen a man.

 

Well, unfortunately, I think it has come to a point in America that women, not all but a fair margin, are the spiritual leaders in the home. This is unfortunate because the Bible has not outlined it for us in this way.

Of course, women ARE supposed to teach. The older women are supposed to be examples to and teach the younger women, though not all of the congregation.

I don't believe in female preachers, that is an oxymoron. But, the women are supposed to instruct the other women. If there is no male spiritual leader in the home, then the women usually take the helm and teach the children. I know this was the case, until a few years ago, in my family.

I don't know if I'd call them weaker spiritually, after all look at the Old Testament examples of women. Ruth and Esther come to mind. When it talks about Eve was decieved, I just think that it is laying out that they were decieved. One of them had to be, it could just as well have been Adam. Of course, if that were the case, then men would have to give birth. OUCH! Then again, I believe this is why God made man the head over the woman.

Anyway, my point is, God made man the spiritual leader, but sometimes it doesn't happen this way. I would like to thank all of the women that have had to take the reigns and become the spiritual leader in their home. I don't condone it, but if the man is not or will not, then the woman has twice the courage for stepping up and teaching her children the things of God. God Bless you sisters.

Bro. James

 

[ January 21, 2003, 05:24 PM: Message edited by: WisdomSeeker ]

 

Dr. Bob Griffin,
Why do you think most men in your church are like that? I am curious to know why you believe this is a common problem.

HCL

 

I agree with you. Now, here are my comments (no rotten tomatoes, please).

My observations:

Women in leadership roles (generally speaking) in Corporate America seem to lose their femininity. They often become tough, often crass, power hungry, eager to back stab and cut throats to climb up the Corporate Ladder. And women in the average work place "tell all" about every relationship they have, casual or otherwise, and have the filthiest mouths that would make a Sailor Blush!

That being said, more General observations:

Men in general in today's society are weak. Ever noticed commercials? Most are geared to make Dad out to be a loser, a dolt, the butt of the joke. Women's Liberation has taken over, folks, and I (even as a woman) am not happy about it.

Men are spiritually weak. They are weakened because they have become morally bankrupt, wanting free casual sex with no responsibility and no strings attached. A dinner & a movie (sometimes not even that) and they expect the "ultimate payment" in return.

Men are spritually weak. There are tons of deadbeat dads out there. Why? They walked out. Wanted casual sex without the strings attached. Or they walked out on a marriage of a couple or many years because the "grass was greener."

Men are spiritually weak. They have let women rule when it comes to abortion. A woman's "choice." Where is the outcry from all the men, the fathers of these aborted babies? Where are the paternal lawsuits over aborting these unborn babies? Where are the grandparent lawsuits?

Men are spiritually weak. They refuse to take their God-Given Responsibility to be the Leader of their family or the Spiritual Head. That's one reason there are so many women in leadership roles in today's Church...Because men are weak.

Not because God designed them that way, but because they don't their priorities straight. And it's all because of spiritual deconditioning or spiritual bankruptcy, IMHO.

I'm still old fashioned. I don't think women should play football or be in the military. I don't care about Corporate America's so-called glass ceiling. But those ideas probably went out in the 1950s.

(OK, I'm ducking just in case there's a tomato or two! LOL! )

 

Many a female member of my churches has been there to hold up this pastor's arms in prayer. Many a woman has filled those empty pews on a bad night. Many a woman member has offered those words of courage that makes one go on even if they didn't know you were suffering.

Thank the Lord for women in the church. Thank God for women in my life. I mean that in the highest of honours.

Cheers,

Jim

"Here am I Lord,,,,,,,,,,,,,send her....."

 

I agree with you, SheEagle. And now we all know why I'm still single.

I think men, the real men, have been criticized so much about letting women be in an equal position as they, that they(we) are losing the will to fight against it.

There is only so much nagging one can take. Whatever happened to the rule of thumb? I'm just kidding.

God Bless. And may God lead us in the straight and narrow way. Hopefully, we will not be blinded so as not to see it. Bro. James

[ January 20, 2003, 06:33 PM: Message edited by: Bro. James Reed ]

 

Aaarrrggghhhh! Too much honesty!

Too much honesty!!

Entirely too much honesty.

 

No.

 

Abiyah, tell the truth now, are we being too honest?