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So some of the census "data" is going to be based on asking neighbors the questions?
For real?
Questions about race?
Questions about relationship of household members?
Questions about mortgages and rent and who knows what else?
Shades of George Orwell.
And this is brought to us by the same people that are upset about Arizona asking illegal immigrants to show a drivers license. :laugh:
So some of the census "data" is going to be based on asking neighbors the questions?
For real?
Questions about race?
Questions about relationship of household members?
Questions about mortgages and rent and who knows what else?
Shades of George Orwell.
And this is brought to us by the same people that are upset about Arizona asking illegal immigrants to show a drivers license. :laugh:
The census workers are profiling
menageriekeeper
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Yep Targus, you have it right. We are not allowed to leave a residence without at least a head count and the name/addy of the person providing the information. So if someone refuses, we go to their landlord or their neighbors or that nosy little old lady on the corner. If we get those two things we don't ask the neighbors for more.
Orwell? Well maybe, but if you don't like the way the govt does things complain LOUDLY to your representative.
Orwell? Well maybe, but if you don't like the way the govt does things complain LOUDLY to your representative.
targus said:Shades of George Orwell.
Or at least McCarthyism.
I can just see it now: "Have your neighbors every expressed disagreement with the policies of the government? Do they belong to any organizations that express disagreements or unhappiness with government policies? What is you neighbor's opinion of Emperor Obama?"
Yep. Gotta love liberal hypocrisy, don't you?
They're also the same people who claim that the Constitution gives a woman the right to "privacy" when it comes to killing her baby, but not when it comes to choosing not to reveal information the government wants but has no business asking.
Liberals claim to love America, but they hate the individual liberties America was founded upon.
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I think it's more like: "Two, Four, Six, Eight, liberty evaporate!"
FR7 Baptist
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My Life as a Fed, Part I
I decided to make a list of all of the crazy things that have happened to me as a Census employee:
- I had someone tell me that the Census is against the Constitution.
- I've never seen so much paperwork in my life. For one apartment complex where there was an error in the address list that listed the wrong house number, I had to fill out 33 EQs deleting the wrong addresses, and then fill out more paperwork to add the correct ones. And then I had to do a D-225 explaining why I did that.
- I had a shady apartment manager in the ghetto offer me a beer and he offered to hook me up with a hooker. Needless to say, I declined on both counts. He also told me to not go to one apartment and to not ask him about it. He also told me that he got a sexually transmitted disease from a Census employee when he was a teenager.
Other Census people- I'd like to hear your crazy experiences. Remember, don't post anyone's names, locations, or other PII or Title 13 information. Also, how does your crew handle bad neighborhoods? I tend to get a lot of assignments in those areas because I'm a guy. In one case, this lady had a binder with mostly decent houses with part of it in a bad area. For the ones in the bad area, my CL is having me accompany her because they aren't about to send a 5' 4" woman in her 70s into the ghetto by herself.
I decided to make a list of all of the crazy things that have happened to me as a Census employee:
- I had someone tell me that the Census is against the Constitution.
- I've never seen so much paperwork in my life. For one apartment complex where there was an error in the address list that listed the wrong house number, I had to fill out 33 EQs deleting the wrong addresses, and then fill out more paperwork to add the correct ones. And then I had to do a D-225 explaining why I did that.
- I had a shady apartment manager in the ghetto offer me a beer and he offered to hook me up with a hooker. Needless to say, I declined on both counts. He also told me to not go to one apartment and to not ask him about it. He also told me that he got a sexually transmitted disease from a Census employee when he was a teenager.
Other Census people- I'd like to hear your crazy experiences. Remember, don't post anyone's names, locations, or other PII or Title 13 information. Also, how does your crew handle bad neighborhoods? I tend to get a lot of assignments in those areas because I'm a guy. In one case, this lady had a binder with mostly decent houses with part of it in a bad area. For the ones in the bad area, my CL is having me accompany her because they aren't about to send a 5' 4" woman in her 70s into the ghetto by herself.
33 EQs ?
D-225 ?
PII ?
Title 13 ?
Dude, you have become quite the low level government bureaucrat !! :laugh:
I can see that you have a future career here.
Which is the more attractive feature to you ?
Being paid more than the job is worth ?
The feeling of petty power over complete strangers?
The chance to report complete strangers to government authorities on a whim?
Paul3144; said:
Did they tell you that the idea of a census is against the Constitution, or did they point out that the census, in its current form, is Unconstitutional?
And of course, we know that not to be true. But I doubt our Founding Fathers envisioned the intrusiveness of what our censuses (Censii? Sen-sei?) have become over the last few years.
Ah, the world of government. And people wonder why it takes them a billion dollars to do anything. No wonder we're going broke as a country.
Let the record show that I did not make a joke here...although, believe me, the opportunity was there.
That does illustrate one issue: Census work ain't always the safest thing to do. Stay safe.
FR7 Baptist
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EQ= enumerator questionnaire
D-225= InfoComm, form we use to report things
PII= personally identifiable information
Title 13 Information= sealed under federal law
I'm getting fifteen bucks an hour, which is good pay, but I'm not exactly getting rich here.
We can't report anything to anyone except sworn Census Bureau employees with a need to know.
I don't question your integrity, paul, but it's that "need to know" caveat that is so indicative of why many of us distrust government.
How about, is the Census worker being nice to y'all?
This one asked some "extra" questions on his calls:
KVTV-5 News Video
Census burro-crat/spokewoman Sydnee Chatin-Reynolds said only:
menageriekeeper
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Ain't it the truth! Though I have to say, almost every person I talked to was exceptionally nice. I only had one that was rude and one more that objected to the entire process but was super nice and told me all about her daughter and grandchild, but still refused to give me her information even down to the number of people living in her home!
However, I learned not to judge things prematurely:
I had a couple of addresses that were the only addresses up a particular little dirt lane. Now, for those of you that don't live here, little dirt lanes usually mean a family "compound" of sorts where all the occupants of all the homes belong to one family group. From the main street that is what this looked like.
The first house was nice enough, nothing grand, but nice. The second house?
The roof was bad, it was overgrown, but it was still habitable. You also could have made a nice horror movie there! So hoping that it was as vacant as it looked, I went to the first house. Now, I quickly figured out that I wasted a lot less time if I started filling out the notice of visit form as soon as I knocked on a door. If no one came by the time I was done writing, then no one was coming. This time, just as I got finished writing the door cracked open. Barely. Now there was a screen door still between us so there was no worry about the dog getting out, but this chick wasn't opening that door any wider. And she was in pajamas at 2 in the afternoon and she wouldn't give me ANYTHING. Told me I had to come back after 5 because she "had been told not to give out any information to anyone".
Okkkkkkaaaaaaaay.
She did however tell me that the next house was vacant. PTL, cause I wasn't going around there by myself!
All this made me wonder just what was going on, cause there were several cars in the driveway, yet the girl had told me no one could help. So when I went back, I let my son drive me. We drove up to find this nicely dressed, middle aged couple just stepping out the door! They were happy to tell me all, including what was happening at the vacant house and could not figure out why the girl wouldn't talk to me when I'd been there earlier! :laugh:
You just never can tell about people.
I am no longer a Census employee. I turned in all my stuff yesterday so unless they call me back unexpectedly, I'm done. I figure I made around $1000 (after taxes) over the last 3 weeks. Not bad for something I only did a few hours a day. Not excellent, but not bad.
Paul3144 said:
You still haven't demonstrated that they have a need to know this information.
FR7 Baptist
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Yes, I have. You have ears and refuse to hear.
No you haven't. You haven't given one Constitutionally supported reason why the government "needs" this information.
I'm still waiting for you to explain why the government needs to know the details of a transaction between a private individual and his bank, or what provision in the Constitution gives the government the authority to snoop into these things.
Trotter
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The US government uses this information in order to know what to do. The government could choose to operate completely blind (not that we would be able to tell a huge difference at times), or it could just guess. Or our representatives could just wheel and deal for the best they can get for their districts no matter how few are in it or how low the needs actually are.
Instead of this the government uses the data collected by the Census to know all kinds of things. How many people live in an area. The general ages of an area. Whether a particular area is growing or shrinking in population. How many people are in a mortgage and owe money on their homes. The racial makeup of the population of an area which could be used to better gage the needs of these people. How many people are permanent residents and how many are transient. The general number of adopted and Foster children in an area. The number of single parent households in an area. The number of non-English speakers in an area.
None of this may matter much to you, and you have the right to refuse to answer anything asked of you, but something will be recorded in order to fulfill the mandate of the Constitution. While getting whatever information that can be gotten though other sources is not preferred, it will be gotten regardless. There is no malice involved in the mater... the Census is ordered to go and record, period.
Paul brought up some good points, though. As Census workers, all are sworn in just like a deputy or something. All information is to remain confidential. The only reason one would share information with another Census worker besides your crew leader would be to better inform someone who was going to visit a place you had already been or something along those lines. We may talk about our experiences, but we cannot divulge any PII (personally identifiable information) whatsoever. Anything that contains PII that is not an official and completed EQ must be shredded and destroyed according to government standards.
I had a real problem with the Census at first, but after going through the training and better understanding the process and reasons behind it I no longer have any problem with it at all. I know the information will be compiled into statistics and then used to better help the government do its job... even if I don't necessarily agree with the job it is doing or who is calling the shots for it.
Trotter said:
About what?
And how many of the things our representatives are "wheeling and dealing" for are actually supported under the Constitution?
Why does my representative need to know personal details about my family and my finances in order to "wheel and deal". What I find so hypocritical about this is that under any other circumstance, the government would have to get a subpoena to look at such information precisely because it's considered private and to keep the government from misusing it, but when it comes to the census, I'm just supposed to hand it over and be happy about doing it.
And why does the government need to know these things?
And what "needs" that you claim are based on race would those be?
And what business is any of this of the government's?
To do what with, exactly?
So, if there's no malice involved, why don't you explain your comments about about the government's alleged "need" for race-based information.
Well, as someone who loves and cherishes the Constitution, as well as being someone who remembers how precious liberty was, I do.
And what is their job? What does race have to do with the government's job?
I see. So then, you don't agree with it, but you're taking part in it anyway? I think they call that being a hypocrite.