Glad I do not understand the sport.
Dude almost got killed. Had to have brain surgery
Dude almost got killed. Had to have brain surgery
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Are you a boxing fan
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Hollow Man
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Many people have died in boxing. That makes it a dangerous sport, but not an immoral one.
I'm a former amateur boxer(Lt. heavy, some heavy) & also competed in the "underground circuit" resembling the one on "Any Which Way But Loose".
Met Mancini; he did 10 pushups with me sitting on his back. He was a good guy, a gentleman. Saw the Duk Koo Kim fight & agree the ref shoulda stopped it sooner.
Livingstone Bramble had the style Mancini couldn't overcome, even if he hadn't been affected by Kim's death. "Styles make fights", just as Frazier couldn't handle Foreman & Foreman couldn't handle Ali.
Wanna see Joshua fight Wilder or Wilder fight Fury.
Met Mancini; he did 10 pushups with me sitting on his back. He was a good guy, a gentleman. Saw the Duk Koo Kim fight & agree the ref shoulda stopped it sooner.
Livingstone Bramble had the style Mancini couldn't overcome, even if he hadn't been affected by Kim's death. "Styles make fights", just as Frazier couldn't handle Foreman & Foreman couldn't handle Ali.
Wanna see Joshua fight Wilder or Wilder fight Fury.
Not a fan, but I did date a boxer in high school. One night we went to see Rocky together. During every fight scene, he "boxed" the back of the chair in front of him.
Thank goodness no one was sitting in it.
Nice guy - but we had nothing in common.
Thank goodness no one was sitting in it.
Nice guy - but we had nothing in common.
Since Rocky has been brought up, it's hard to resist sharing, in short, the illusltration I use with that partiular character.
Rocky Balboa was a 'nobody' living an insignificant life, like many persons in the Bible-- Gideon, David, James, John, Peter, Andrew, for a few. But Rocky's big chance came, as it did for those guys. Rocky didn't win that big chance at first, but neither did Peter, who denied his Lord. But Rocky got a second chance and what was different? In Rocky II we heard the music-- a Hollywood device telling us something is with him now. Even though it takes a while in Rocky II we finally hear what we heard little from the first movie. Then, as he trains, in everything he does we hear that theme-- dah dah DAH ... dah dah DAH!... When the Holy Spirit was with Peter and the other apostles, difference was seen and heard, and they were victorious.
But then there was Rocky III. Now he's the champion; living the life of champion-- fame, fortune, popularity. He defends his title 9 times successfully. But he's too busy being the champ to notice there is an evil lurking in the person of Mr. T (though he's called 'Clubber Lang' in the movie). Mr T finally ramrods his way into Rocky's life as Rocky makes it known it's time for him to retire and he grossly threatens Rocky's pride, which is a tremendous asset to any worldly champion. Rocky goes into the ring against him under a lot of emotional pressure and is defeated. Now he wonders if he ever really was the champion or whether, as Mr. T claimed, he only fought setups and has-beens. When he's especially low, he gets help from a most unexpected source-- the former champ he defeated to win the title, who happens to be another target of Mr. T. This boxer convinces him that he can beat Mr. T if he goes back to what he was before he won the title. Rocky agrees, and even though this proves to be a tough road to get back onto, finally he trains fanatically once again, goes back into the ring, and knocks out Mr. T.
As Christians we experience a lot of ups and downs. Sometimes these 'downs' can be so hurtful as to get us questioning who we really are. Is there really a Savior who saved us personally?-- then why do we stumble so badly? Were the things we accomplished after we got saved just 'setups' with no significance? Or are we not saved? Or is there no savior and no God? Yet if we do believe there is a God and a Savior who has made us a champion in the great Kingdom battle of good v. evil, what do we do when we're knocked down on the mat in defeat by Mr. T-- Trials, Testings,Temptions, Troubles, Traumas? We must go back to the beginning, relearn our victorious position in Jesus Christ and know that the ultimate championship is His, in which we share, and then GET UP OFF THE CANVAS OF DEFEAT AND RECLAIM THE TITLE THAT IN OUR HEARTS WE KNOW IS REALLY THERE ALL ALONG.
Rocky Balboa was a 'nobody' living an insignificant life, like many persons in the Bible-- Gideon, David, James, John, Peter, Andrew, for a few. But Rocky's big chance came, as it did for those guys. Rocky didn't win that big chance at first, but neither did Peter, who denied his Lord. But Rocky got a second chance and what was different? In Rocky II we heard the music-- a Hollywood device telling us something is with him now. Even though it takes a while in Rocky II we finally hear what we heard little from the first movie. Then, as he trains, in everything he does we hear that theme-- dah dah DAH ... dah dah DAH!... When the Holy Spirit was with Peter and the other apostles, difference was seen and heard, and they were victorious.
But then there was Rocky III. Now he's the champion; living the life of champion-- fame, fortune, popularity. He defends his title 9 times successfully. But he's too busy being the champ to notice there is an evil lurking in the person of Mr. T (though he's called 'Clubber Lang' in the movie). Mr T finally ramrods his way into Rocky's life as Rocky makes it known it's time for him to retire and he grossly threatens Rocky's pride, which is a tremendous asset to any worldly champion. Rocky goes into the ring against him under a lot of emotional pressure and is defeated. Now he wonders if he ever really was the champion or whether, as Mr. T claimed, he only fought setups and has-beens. When he's especially low, he gets help from a most unexpected source-- the former champ he defeated to win the title, who happens to be another target of Mr. T. This boxer convinces him that he can beat Mr. T if he goes back to what he was before he won the title. Rocky agrees, and even though this proves to be a tough road to get back onto, finally he trains fanatically once again, goes back into the ring, and knocks out Mr. T.
As Christians we experience a lot of ups and downs. Sometimes these 'downs' can be so hurtful as to get us questioning who we really are. Is there really a Savior who saved us personally?-- then why do we stumble so badly? Were the things we accomplished after we got saved just 'setups' with no significance? Or are we not saved? Or is there no savior and no God? Yet if we do believe there is a God and a Savior who has made us a champion in the great Kingdom battle of good v. evil, what do we do when we're knocked down on the mat in defeat by Mr. T-- Trials, Testings,Temptions, Troubles, Traumas? We must go back to the beginning, relearn our victorious position in Jesus Christ and know that the ultimate championship is His, in which we share, and then GET UP OFF THE CANVAS OF DEFEAT AND RECLAIM THE TITLE THAT IN OUR HEARTS WE KNOW IS REALLY THERE ALL ALONG.
indeed.
Great during time of Ali/Frazier/Foreman in heavyweights, and those like Hearns/Hagler/Leonard/Duran, but past decades, more akin to WWE!
I remember the "good ole days" when Gillette Cavalcade of Sports showed fights on TV every week, and thic included many title bouts. S.R. Robinson, Carmen Basilio, Gene & Don Fullmer, Dick Tiger, Archie Moore, & Marciano were often shown.
Marciano was doubtlessly the most-successful of the bunch, his undefeated record notwithstanding. No one trained harder, nor was more-tireless. In his fight with Walcott, he took a beating, but was still fresh in the 13th round when he KOd Walcott. He was not that big, standing 5'11", weighing general about 195, nor was he a great boxer. Many of his opponents were bigger men, but his conditioning & ability to generate terrific hitting power made up for his lack of size and skill. (He still had great hand speed.)
The early Mike Tyson was just slightly larger than Rocky, with that great hand speed that produced big power.
However, I still believe Ali at his best woulda beaten either of them, as he was much-larger, could take a punch, & never had any trouble with "power hitters", including Shavers & Foreman, among others. The only one that gave the early Ali trouble was Frazier, also a "smallish" heavy.
Styles make fights. Frazier gave Ali all he wanted, then some; Ali had Foreman for supper, and Foreman had Frazier for supper twice.
Marciano was doubtlessly the most-successful of the bunch, his undefeated record notwithstanding. No one trained harder, nor was more-tireless. In his fight with Walcott, he took a beating, but was still fresh in the 13th round when he KOd Walcott. He was not that big, standing 5'11", weighing general about 195, nor was he a great boxer. Many of his opponents were bigger men, but his conditioning & ability to generate terrific hitting power made up for his lack of size and skill. (He still had great hand speed.)
The early Mike Tyson was just slightly larger than Rocky, with that great hand speed that produced big power.
However, I still believe Ali at his best woulda beaten either of them, as he was much-larger, could take a punch, & never had any trouble with "power hitters", including Shavers & Foreman, among others. The only one that gave the early Ali trouble was Frazier, also a "smallish" heavy.
Styles make fights. Frazier gave Ali all he wanted, then some; Ali had Foreman for supper, and Foreman had Frazier for supper twice.
Foreman would have killed Ali on the rematch, as he was tricked by rope a dope, and Joe Louis in his prime would have Ko both Ali and Marcino!
I dunno about a Foreman-Ali 2. While Foreman had great power, of course, Ali was about as big, with much-greater hand speed & boxing skills.
Louis had a hard time with Tony Galento, who had nowhere near Joe's reach and boxing skill. But he knocked Joe down in the 3rd round. However, in the 4th round, Joe pounded Tony'face into roadkill & had him out on his feet unable to defend himself when the ref wisely stopped it.
And Billy Conn, the light-heavy champ, was clearly outboxing Joe & was ahead on points. Had Billy not gotten cocky & tried to knowc joe out, he woulda won on points. However, his pressing the attack gave Joe the shot he needed to take Billy out. So, he was beatable, but not easily, in his prime.
However, Ali would've been a bigger, stronger version of Conn, & Marciano a stronger, harder-hitting version of Galento. Each woulda stood a good chance against a prime Joe. (Joe was "over the hill" when Rocky KOd him.)
All we can do is speculate, but it's fun to imagine !
Joe Louis could KO from either hand, and Marcino way to press straight in would have played to his fight!
Foreman demolished Joe Frazier, who took Ali once, and fought him extremely hard, so George should have managed to KO Ali any rematch!
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Foreman Vrs Marcino would have been something, as 2 bulls running into each other, but George was a bnigger and stronger version....
Boxing as with any sport that intends to harm is a sin whether one participates in it or is a spectator.
The believer is to example wisdom from above and such "wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. 18And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace."
The believer is to example wisdom from above and such "wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. 18And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace."