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Are you a Reformed Baptist, and define that term!
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Yes I am, I was once against God and the Spirit of God came along and reformed and transformed into a child of God who loves Him.
Thomas Chantry, historian of the Reformed Baptists, provides this definition:
https://chantrynotes.wordpress.com/2015/03/09/defining-reformed-baptist-again/
https://chantrynotes.wordpress.com/2015/03/09/defining-reformed-baptist-again/
The Reformation involved the Protesting, Reforming, and eventually coming out of the Church of Rome.
There were primarily 3 groups formed via the Reformation. The Lutherans, under Martin Luther, in 1517.
The various Reformed Churches under John Calvin including The Presbyterian Church under John Knox.
The Anglican Church under Henry VIII.
Those are the only churches that were actual first generation participants in the Protestant Reformation.
The other denominations came out of the come outers.
The Methodists under first George Whitefield, then, later, Charles Wesley, out of the Church of England (Anglicans).
The Radical Reformers (Anabaptists) under first Zwingli, then others after his death.
The Congregationalists in 1582 under Robert Browne out of the Church of England (Anglican).
And so on.
Some Baptists consider themselves descended from the Radical Reformation and the Anabaptists.
Other Baptists consider themselves descended from the Church of England (Anglican).
And others believe they are descended, in faith if not in name, from the 1st century churches found in the New Testament.
All of the initial Reformed churches were Augustinian/Calvinist.
It was not until after the second generation churches (c1610) that Arminianism became more prominent.
There were primarily 3 groups formed via the Reformation. The Lutherans, under Martin Luther, in 1517.
The various Reformed Churches under John Calvin including The Presbyterian Church under John Knox.
The Anglican Church under Henry VIII.
Those are the only churches that were actual first generation participants in the Protestant Reformation.
The other denominations came out of the come outers.
The Methodists under first George Whitefield, then, later, Charles Wesley, out of the Church of England (Anglicans).
The Radical Reformers (Anabaptists) under first Zwingli, then others after his death.
The Congregationalists in 1582 under Robert Browne out of the Church of England (Anglican).
And so on.
Some Baptists consider themselves descended from the Radical Reformation and the Anabaptists.
Other Baptists consider themselves descended from the Church of England (Anglican).
And others believe they are descended, in faith if not in name, from the 1st century churches found in the New Testament.
All of the initial Reformed churches were Augustinian/Calvinist.
It was not until after the second generation churches (c1610) that Arminianism became more prominent.
Wouldnt you call that "Saved"?
Would Refomed Baptists then be seen in a differen tlight than "normal" ones, as the would be the only group holding to formal Confessions of Faith?
You are thinking of Henry VIII, but in fact he burned quite a few Reformers. The Reformation in his reign was very much an underground movement. Although he left the Church of Rome to marry Anne Boleyn, he remained Catholic in his theology all his life. The Church of England was reformed in the reign of his son, Edward VI.
Perhaps our British correspondent could tell us more about John L. Milton of the Reformed Baptist Evangelizing Church in Hull, Yorkshire:
https://books.google.com/books?id=Yv7HRyjJn8gC&pg=PA64
https://books.google.com/books?id=Yv7HRyjJn8gC&pg=PA64
Among Anglo-Catholics, the legacy is quite noticeable.
IMO, the English Reformation was barely enough to qualify as a "Reformation." Until the ball got rolling later (as you mentioned), the practical effect making the king the head of the church instead of the Pope was more like firing a CEO than actually reforming anything.
You are thinking of the Elizabethan Settlement. The Church was reformed quite radically in the reign of Edward VI, but he died young and 'Bloody' Mary turned the whole thing back to Rome. When Elizabeth I came to the throne in 1558, she tried to find a more moderate way, which made almost no one happy except herself. Ever since then there has been a sort of see-saw between the evangelical wing and the Anglo-Catholic wing, although many of the latter have now gone over to Rome.
Honestly, people like that particular belonging system.
Never heard of him before, I'm afraid, but that is by far the earliest reference I'm aware of to the term 'Reformed Baptist.' Thank you.
Sidney is an interesting fellow whose career encapsulates much of the excess of the Second Great Awakening. He started out as a Baptist, went over to the Restorationists (Reformed Baptists), then fell in with Joseph Smith and became a leader of the Latter-Day Saints. He was brushed aside by Brigham Young after Smith's murder and eventually founded his own splinter Mormon group, which still exists today.
To answer the question: No.
Mormonism: another good example of Reformed Apostasy. What is the criteria for reforming that which is apostate? Joseph Smith Jr. claims to have received a revelation from God. Smith is either a true prophet or a false prophet. If true, we should all be Mormon. If false, Mormonism is still apostate regardless of the origin of the leadership. It matters not how many times a religion is reformed, it is still apostasy reformed.
The same criteria can be applied to that which has become known as Catholic. Catholicism is a bizarre collection of that which is apostate from Rome: universal church and salvation by works including infant baptism, just to name a few. This is all another gospel--anathema.
Reformed Baptists have a very confused ecclesiology. They think the Church is universal. This is the basic fatal error which permeates the majority of Christendom. Jesus promised to send Another Comforter to abide, lead and direct in all Truth. He has kept His promise. Real New Testament Churches have no need of reformation.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Mormonism: another good example of Reformed Apostasy. What is the criteria for reforming that which is apostate? Joseph Smith Jr. claims to have received a revelation from God. Smith is either a true prophet or a false prophet. If true, we should all be Mormon. If false, Mormonism is still apostate regardless of the origin of the leadership. It matters not how many times a religion is reformed, it is still apostasy reformed.
The same criteria can be applied to that which has become known as Catholic. Catholicism is a bizarre collection of that which is apostate from Rome: universal church and salvation by works including infant baptism, just to name a few. This is all another gospel--anathema.
Reformed Baptists have a very confused ecclesiology. They think the Church is universal. This is the basic fatal error which permeates the majority of Christendom. Jesus promised to send Another Comforter to abide, lead and direct in all Truth. He has kept His promise. Real New Testament Churches have no need of reformation.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James