My whole point was that you don't have to say REPENT or BURN to preach a salvation message. You just confirmed it with what you said about Spurgeon.
So, I take it we are in agreement?
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Are You "Really" Saved?
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My whole point was that you don't have to say REPENT or BURN to preach a salvation message. You just confirmed it with what you said about Spurgeon.
So, I take it we are in agreement?
Actually, I was carrying on a Christ-like discourse. You're the one who chose to insult me, not the other way around.
Nice try, though.
Thank you, Joel Osteen.
Are you speaking in tongues or what? Seriously,take your time when typing. How Spurgeon could come out as Spuiegfeon is a mystery. And it's kind of funny to boot.
CORRECT:thumbsup:
problems are thatI think faster than I type, and at timesdo reversa;s of letters to boot!
yes, as that style implies a sinner has the free will intact to "accept jesus into their hearts!"
My reading of the scriptures though is that we just declare who Jesus is, what He did, and the Lord will use that to call out and bring those chosen sinners to do as Spurgeon did, look to Christ and get saved!
saturneptune
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Before someone can tell someone else to repent, they must have the moral authority to do so.
saturneptune
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Why is it that Yeshua and EWF have mature, well reasoned posts, and Desert Jim, John Deere, and Rippon sound like third graders in the middle of a temper tantrum? This thread is a matter of eternal life and death, and obviously, you three would be the last one a person should get advice from on the situation.
"Turn or burn" is about the most off the wall, immature explanation of repentance I have ever heard. When God intervenes in our lives and quickens our spirit, we are a new creation. We repent because of our new nature, not because we decided on our own to create a new path. That would mean we were crafting our own salvation, or a salvation of works. If there is no repentance, or turning around as everyone puts it, there was no quickening. We owe God a lot of thanks for giving us the will to repent and see our sinful state.
If one falls to his or her knees and says I repent of this, this, and that, and God has not entered their lives, in a short period of time, they will be right back to their usual pattern. There is no such thing as a pattern of God saving someone, they repent, then fall right back into their old lost pattern. Now, it is possible for a Christian to stray, but in short order, the Holy Spirit will put that person back on the straight and narrow.
Another point to be made is that no one knows the state of salvation of another. One can make a good guess, but know one knows, despite the theological geniuses on this board who think they do. A disagreement on a certain Biblical doctrine does not translate into I am saved and you are not.
There are lots of clever games played with this idea of knowing another person's salvation on this board. Take the issues of Bible versions, election, and covenant theology to mention a few. Since it is against the rules to say another member is not saved, you might see a phrase like, "it is impossible to see how a true Christian would rely on a NIV Bible" or "believing in election before the foundation of the world is a doctrine from hell." One might as well say the person is unsaved, but word it such that it does not break the rule.
Getting back to "turn or burn." man is initiating the salvation. When God saves us, we do turn and repent.
"Turn or burn" is about the most off the wall, immature explanation of repentance I have ever heard. When God intervenes in our lives and quickens our spirit, we are a new creation. We repent because of our new nature, not because we decided on our own to create a new path. That would mean we were crafting our own salvation, or a salvation of works. If there is no repentance, or turning around as everyone puts it, there was no quickening. We owe God a lot of thanks for giving us the will to repent and see our sinful state.
If one falls to his or her knees and says I repent of this, this, and that, and God has not entered their lives, in a short period of time, they will be right back to their usual pattern. There is no such thing as a pattern of God saving someone, they repent, then fall right back into their old lost pattern. Now, it is possible for a Christian to stray, but in short order, the Holy Spirit will put that person back on the straight and narrow.
Another point to be made is that no one knows the state of salvation of another. One can make a good guess, but know one knows, despite the theological geniuses on this board who think they do. A disagreement on a certain Biblical doctrine does not translate into I am saved and you are not.
There are lots of clever games played with this idea of knowing another person's salvation on this board. Take the issues of Bible versions, election, and covenant theology to mention a few. Since it is against the rules to say another member is not saved, you might see a phrase like, "it is impossible to see how a true Christian would rely on a NIV Bible" or "believing in election before the foundation of the world is a doctrine from hell." One might as well say the person is unsaved, but word it such that it does not break the rule.
Getting back to "turn or burn." man is initiating the salvation. When God saves us, we do turn and repent.
Tom Butler
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Good post, SN.
Questioning the salvation of other posters on this board is against the rules and could result in getting banned. Bye, bye, troll.
S/N :"At times in these posts I am guilty of hate speech." 6/5/13
saturneptune
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Yes that is true. The key word is "at times." You are guilty all the time. As has been pointed out in several posts, no one is perfect, however there is a difference in veering off course and being corrected to return and going off course and never returning.
You've been on quite the jag these last 5 months Mike.
S/N : "I sometimes am not civil. In this case,I used a name that was uncalled for. It's far short of cursing,but was very demeaning." 5/6/12
Take note of your quote. It applies not only to your nasty post which was removed by a mod yesterday,but your most recent PM to me a few hours ago. You're shameful.
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